Is Gary still out of reach?

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Again

Both Bosa and Gary had injuries last year.

One, Bosa's was more severe and required him to miss about 80% of the season.  No one even mentions it and he is projected #1 by most

Gary, had a injury that only required him to miss 4 game.  Yet that will hurt his stock unlike Bosa's?

 

Also the 3-4 DE thing.  It goes more into what is required by the player.  Gary is a Freak.  And thought as a 4-3 DE.  A guy who sets the edge yet can still make a move inside.  What he is having to do at 3-4 DE is directly take on OGs and rush inside.  The OLBs are setting the edge like 4-3 DEs.  So he is a bad fit. 

You think Pep could play the same spot as KCs Chris Jones, Jets Leonard Williams, Pitts Steven Tuitt in his prime?  No!

 

Pep has played both 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB so yeah he can play any scheme. Plus he often lines up in the middle and over the 1 gap as his speed and athleticism are mismatches for many centers and guards. He could play DE, some DT and OLB.

You made a bad comparison there 

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

No Offense but can someone show me an example of a guy who had his production and became a superstar? Because I'm just going through top 15 of drafts the last decade, and the ones with his athleticism with so-so production have been busts.

Dion Jordan, Tyson Jackson, Barkevious Mingo, Robert Nkemdiche, Quinton Coples (top 16),

Guys who pan out and become stars almost always had great production in college. Double teamed or not. 

Let's not forget the overwhelming "high school" hype who under performed in college. Please God, I hope Hurney has learned from that with Clausen.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth! said:

No Offense but can someone show me an example of a guy who had his production and became a superstar? Because I'm just going through top 15 of drafts the last decade, and the ones with his athleticism with so-so production have been busts.

Dion Jordan, Tyson Jackson, Barkevious Mingo, Robert Nkemdiche, Quinton Coples (top 16),

Guys who pan out and become stars almost always had great production in college. Double teamed or not. 

Let's not forget the overwhelming "high school" hype who under performed in college. Please God, I hope Hurney has learned from that with Clausen.

See my previous post. JJ Watt.

But like I said previously, I definitely understand the skepticim. I have plenty myself.

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Generally speaking, I agree. But, then again, JJ Watt only had 11.5 sacks in his entire college career (Gary has 9.5) and never had more than 7 in a single season. There wasn't much there in terms of statistical production to suggest that he was going to become the sack monster that he ultimately became.

True with sacks. But if you look at JJ Watt's TFL statistics it basically shows that the guy is getting penetration consistently.

[ncfan]

14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Pep has played both 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB so yeah he can play any scheme. Plus he often lines up in the middle and over the 1 gap as his speed and athleticism are mismatches for many centers and guards. He could play DE, some DT and OLB.

You made a bad comparison there 

Your ignoring the point

Yes Pep can play any sceme

But they lined him up at...........OLB.....where they play the edge like my post above mentioned.

 

Also the Pep lining up over the middle are only certain Nascar type packages on certain passing downs such as a 3rd and 13

He aint lining up over the middle full time at DT

Garys strong point is on the edge with his freak athletic ability.

 

 

Curious 

Did you see how well Clowney did his 1st 2 seasons at 3-4 DE in Houston.  Garbage.

Gary is playing there at Michigan.  Because he is still Solid there even though not the ideal fit.  But scouts seem to think he is better suited on the edge.

[bababoey]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

lies huddle says draft position doesn't matter

Ex - girlfriend said penis size doesn't matter.  So don't believe everything you hear.

[panthers55]

18 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Your ignoring the point

Yes Pep can play any sceme

But they lined him up at...........OLB.....where they play the edge like my post above mentioned.

 

Also the Pep lining up over the middle are only certain Nascar type packages on certain passing downs such as a 3rd and 13

He aint lining up over the middle full time at DT

Garys strong point is on the edge with his freak athletic ability.

 

 

Curious 

Did you see how well Clowney did his 1st 2 seasons at 3-4 DE in Houston.  Garbage.

Gary is playing there at Michigan.  Because he is still Solid there even though not the ideal fit.  But scouts seem to think he is better suited on the edge.

You are all over the place. Clowney played 3-4 DE in the NFL. Gary played 34 games in his career  at 3+4 DE in college. How are they even related? And which are we playing? 4-3 or 3-4 or a hybrid. Might need to figure that out before the draft.

[bababoey]

31 minutes ago, Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth! said:

No Offense but can someone show me an example of a guy who had his production and became a superstar? Because I'm just going through top 15 of drafts the last decade, and the ones with his athleticism with so-so production have been busts.

Dion Jordan, Tyson Jackson, Barkevious Mingo, Robert Nkemdiche, Quinton Coples (top 16),

Guys who pan out and become stars almost always had great production in college. Double teamed or not. 

Let's not forget the overwhelming "high school" hype who under performed in college. Please God, I hope Hurney has learned from that with Clausen.

Chris Jones had 15.5 sacks last year for the Chiefs.  He had 8.5 in 3 years in college.

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

Chris Jones was taken in the 2nd round and finally broke out this year. I would take a chance on Gary in that round, not in the first round. As I've stated, ends who fit his profile (athletic but unproductive) do not have a good history in the first round.

I'd take him more than some guys that have been hyped up here in this forum like Arden Key.

[ncfan]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You are all over the place. Clowney played 3-4 DE in the NFL. Gary played 34 games in his career  at 3+4 DE in college. How are they even related? And which are we playing? 4-3 or 3-4 or a hybrid. Might need to figure that out before the draft.

They are related as in both athletic freaks, both are better fits in 4-3 DEs

Both didnt put up big numbers at 3-4 DE.  Clowney was on the verge of bust befors they moved him to OLB where he could rush the edge.

 

And I do understand that we are talking about a 3-4 hybrid.

Im still trying to wrap my head around 3-4 "Hybrid"

Your basic "3-4" is obvious.  But there are what you can calls a 3-4 hybrids ij the league which you wouldnt realize.

The Seattle tree is the big one.

Atlanta and Chargers run it.

Vic Beasley and Melvin Ingram are "traditional" 3-4 OLBs but they are play down on the line as a 4-3 DE, moved around rushing, or just stand up on the edge.  You still have a traditional 4-3 SDE see Chargers with Bosa and Seattle had Michael Bennett.  Gary would still fit that 4-3 SDE that still works in that "hybrid"

 

Maybe we are running a 3-4. But they keep saying "3-4 hybrid" and first thing points to several teams that have had Tough Top D'sthe last few years running what you call that "hybrid"

[Basbear]

I've seen Gary anywhere from second to high 20s. If he interviews badly and has a questionable medical, no question he could be there at 16. He could easily separate himself negatively from the deeep DL class if he's viewed as higher risk. He never broke out in college either. 

Currently, I put him at 20% chance of being there and if the Panthers remain 4-3, turn the card in.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

They are related as in both athletic freaks, both are better fits in 4-3 DEs

Both didnt put up big numbers at 3-4 DE.  Clowney was on the verge of bust befors they moved him to OLB where he could rush the edge.

 

And I do understand that we are talking about a 3-4 hybrid.

Im still trying to wrap my head around 3-4 "Hybrid"

Your basic "3-4" is obvious.  But there are what you can calls a 3-4 hybrids ij the league which you wouldnt realize.

The Seattle tree is the big one.

Atlanta and Chargers run it.

Vic Beasley and Melvin Ingram are "traditional" 3-4 OLBs but they are play down on the line as a 4-3 DE, moved around rushing, or just stand up on the edge.  You still have a traditional 4-3 SDE see Chargers with Bosa and Seattle had Michael Bennett.  Gary would still fit that 4-3 SDE that still works in that "hybrid"

 

Maybe we are running a 3-4. But they keep saying "3-4 hybrid" and first thing points to several teams that have had Tough Top D'sthe last few years running what you call that "hybrid"

Not sure what Gary is at this point. But I wouldn't want him at 16. He reminds me of Poe coming out of college. Great athletics, real freak of an athlete- not much production in college.  How did he do in the NFL so far.....

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Not sure what Gary is at this point. But I wouldn't want him at 16. He reminds me of Poe coming out of college. Great athletics, real freak of an athlete- not much production in college.  How did he do in the NFL so far.....

2× probowler and 2nd team all-pro in his first 3 seasons prior to his back injury

[TheSpecialJuan]

Barnidge?