After Cam’s surgery does our offense change?

[Black&BlueBubba]

10 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

Hes getting the scar tissue cleaned up. It's minor.  Funny how everyone is flipping out.

No one is flipping out. Considering Cam was extremely limited starting the season 2 years ago and couldn’t finish last year I’m simply asking what precautions or changes the coaches might be looking at.

My apologies for trying to further the off season discussion.   

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

People on this forum want Cam to have an elite o-line, weapons at wr, elite coaching and a backfield weapon like cmc in order for him to succeed. Anyone will succeed with all that.

There is ZERO thought to the cap and paying these players let alone a defense to stop the other team.

At some point these weapons will want money. Something will have to give. No such thing as a perfect team.

But a lot of this also has to do with where the cap is being allocated. If he had an LT playing M Kalil contracts worth we wouldn’t be here.

In the end, this is incredibly true.

[bigdog10]

Imagine the position this franchise would be in had a focus been placed on legitimately upgrading the oline after the super bowl as opposed to throwing as many picks as possible trying to fix the cornerback position. 

Imagine our previous owner actually let the football guys do their job as opposed to pushing them to unite the Kalil brothers and saddling us with, arguably, the worst contract in panthers history. 

Unfortunatley, the incompetence above Cam has sabatoged the remainder of his career. 

[Manther]

13 hours ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Since our franchise QB just went under the knife for the second time in 3 years does this mean a change for our offense?  It’s not a mystery that we will go as far as Cam takes us.  I’m pretty sure the knuckleheads in the front office are trying to figure out a plan keep him healthy and on the field. 

So does this mean we have seen the last days of the Read option?  Can Cam actually excel as a normal drop back passer?   How often are they going to call designed runs for 100 million dollar asset going forward?

Tepper talked about the offensive line.  I’m wondering if we are going to start solidifying our OL finally.  

This will be a really interesting off season with a ton of holes on defense and trying to keep your QB upright and actually on the field. 

Man, Matt Kalil really took this team behind the woodshed and had his way with her.  What a shiit.  He's laughing all the way to bank.  

[Tomcatn]

1 hour ago, Manther said:

Man, Matt Kalil really took this team behind the woodshed and had his way with her.  What a shiit.  He's laughing all the way to bank.  

Makes me wonder how much influence his brother had in bringing him here. If my thinking’s right Ryan was out there behind the woodshed gettin’ jiggy too.

[Manther]

3 hours ago, Tomcatn said:

Makes me wonder how much influence his brother had in bringing him here. If my thinking’s right Ryan was out there behind the woodshed gettin’ jiggy too.

I'm not there.  Ryan Kalil was a reliable soldier out there.  I hope people don't blame me for shiit my brother does.

[GeorgeHanson]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I have not read an article about the reason  it was scoped.  Has this been confirmed?

 

No.

[YungHamm]

Tom Brady arm is gone and so was Peyton Manning... They won by short quick throws all the way down the field.  We need an Oline more than a healthy Cam

[grimesgoat]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 10:22 AM, bigdog10 said:

Imagine the position this franchise would be in had a focus been placed on legitimately upgrading the oline after the super bowl as opposed to throwing as many picks as possible trying to fix the cornerback position. 

Imagine our previous owner actually let the football guys do their job as opposed to pushing them to unite the Kalil brothers and saddling us with, arguably, the worst contract in panthers history. 

Unfortunatley, the incompetence above Cam has sabatoged the remainder of his career. 

This is a common sentiment, but the panthers line performed very well this year.  Their sack percentage was 5.4%, giving up only 32 sacks.  This was the 7th fewest in the league.  Meanwhile we were 4th in rushing and 11th in pts per possession.  The sack percentage rank improved 10 spots this year.

I don't know what the expectations are, but all teams give up sacks.  The team with the lowest sacks allowed was 18, any one of which could have got their QB injured.  Coincidentally, the team that allowed the fewest sacks led the league in offensive holding calls.  Only 5 teams had fewer holding calls than the Panthers.

Efforts have been made to upgrade the line.  Drafting Turner, Moton, Williams, extending Ryan Kalil and signing Matt Kalil.  The latter has been disappointing, but the others have played well.  Remember Matt Kalil was a former fourth pick in the draft, so drafting a guy in the first does not always lead to improvement in line play.

I think our problems this year centered solely on the most important person on the field not being unable to throw the ball with any zip or for more than 15 yards in the 4th quarter.  We lost 5 straight by an average of 4 pts., all of which we were in position to win with above average QB play during crunch time.  We probably would not win the division, but we definitely make the playoffs if Cam is not limited.

 

[usmcpanthers]

On 1/27/2019 at 8:29 AM, coralreefer_1 said:

i personally am still waiting for a doctors reason as to WHY Cam's shoulder is damaged in the first place! Maybe I missed it and please huddlers point me to it if it exists. 

Is the shoulder injury because he has taken too many hits?  Is it because (as i suspect) he has been using physical ability to cover up for a lack in footwork and pro level throwing motion and training? Is it because he is just genetically cursed to have bad shoulders? 

I dont believe its the hits, all be it, that doesnt help. I believe it similar to issues Baseball pitchers have. If you have bad mechanics you basically wear down the joints. Cam has always muscled through his mechanics with athleticism.

[RumHam]

5 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

This is a common sentiment, but the panthers line performed very well this year.  Their sack percentage was 5.4%, giving up only 32 sacks.  This was the 7th fewest in the league.  Meanwhile we were 4th in rushing and 11th in pts per possession.  The sack percentage rank improved 10 spots this year.

I don't know what the expectations are, but all teams give up sacks.  The team with the lowest sacks allowed was 18, any one of which could have got their QB injured.  Coincidentally, the team that allowed the fewest sacks led the league in offensive holding calls.  Only 5 teams had fewer holding calls than the Panthers.

Efforts have been made to upgrade the line.  Drafting Turner, Moton, Williams, extending Ryan Kalil and signing Matt Kalil.  The latter has been disappointing, but the others have played well.  Remember Matt Kalil was a former fourth pick in the draft, so drafting a guy in the first does not always lead to improvement in line play.

I think our problems this year centered solely on the most important person on the field not being unable to throw the ball with any zip or for more than 15 yards in the 4th quarter.  We lost 5 straight by an average of 4 pts., all of which we were in position to win with above average QB play during crunch time.  We probably would not win the division, but we definitely make the playoffs if Cam is not limited.

 

Norv scripted the offense around the lack of protection we had. It was a college offense. They never intended Cam to throw deep. They figured if they could continue to move the ball methodically and short, it would hide our defense. This worked for about 8 weeks. This is the NFL. You're going to get figured out if you don't evolve.

[grimesgoat]

3 minutes ago, RumHam said:

Norv scripted the offense around the lack of protection we had. It was a college offense. They never intended Cam to throw deep. They figured if they could continue to move the ball methodically and short, it would hide our defense. This worked for about 8 weeks. This is the NFL. You're going to get figured out if you don't evolve.

So are you saying the lack of deep throws is because our offense never evolved?  That we would have been throwing more deep balls if we believed our offensive line could give Cam more time in the pocket?  This definitely does not mesh with the Cam's sore shoulder we're hearing about, nor the ducks he was tossing up when he did try to throw more than 20 yards in the 4th quarter.

I definitely agree we wanted to win Time of Possession and control the clock.  This keeps the defense fresh and generally the other team cannot score without the ball.  Not sure they were necessarily 'hiding our defense' as the Panthers have always been a running team and have played this way from the beginning.

Moving the ball methodically and short is definitely not a strategy unique to the Panthers.  Pretty much every other team in the NFL tries to sustain drives and manage the clock.  I can't think of any team that is chucking it downfield like crazy (except maybe KC).  Regardless of how you feel about individual offensive lineman, our line as a group did pretty well from a statistical basis relative to other teams.  Having said that, we definitely need to find a decent replacement for R Kalil (Larsen maybe) and a decent LT.

[Darvinsun]

Cams was fine until Pittsburgh last yr in the playoffs Cam threw long balls they were on point in the Saints game but Wrs dropped passes. My take is that it is a combination of everything. Not just one answer. Got rocked in the Steelers game next thing u know he starts being held out of practice. Could have  already started developing soreness but the hit accelerated the effects. Line started to get exposed as defenses looked at film noticing no deep threat routes or wrs. Torrey wasn' running long routes and when he did couldn' catch the ball so no real threat. I don' think it's his mechanics as much as hits and line. Combination for perfect storm. All of the above but different % s.

[Rocky Davis]

On 1/27/2019 at 7:16 PM, YungHamm said:

Tom Brady arm is gone and so was Peyton Manning... They won by short quick throws all the way down the field.  We need an Oline more than a healthy Cam

Cam is young enough to come back and throw the ball deep if his injury isn't serious, but the difference between Cam, Brady, and Manning is that Brady and Manning both knew how to read defensive looks either coming into the league or within a year or two.  I think Cam has always struggled reading defenses and adjusting the play call appropriately, in fact he has often looked very average when playing a team that comes out in one formation and then changes their look before the snap.  Watch tape of the Super Bowl and this past season's Pittsburgh game and notice how Denver and Pittsburgh's defense opened up with a man to man look (eight in the box) only to drop into either a zone or dime look.  Cam doesn't read those changes well and that doesn't help an already porous O-line or himself.

Our receivers and backs also need to study up.  The best we had last year was CMC, I did see Moore and Samuel start breaking off their routes when they realized a zone was being played or a blitz got dialed up.