If Ron goes 3-4 does that mean Tepper wants him around

[Woodie]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That tidbit didn't come from me. It actually comes from someone with access.

So no, not just fan speculation.

I hear that a lot...access.  But the truth is it's limited access.  They may have heard a comment, talked with someone, whatever.  The problem is we don't have context. And in this case, we only know one part of a much more complex thought process. 

I have no doubt that it bothers Rivera that opponents have figured out our defense, but I don't think that's the impetus behind this move (if rumors are true).  Lets be honest, most defenses and offenses have been figured out in the NFL.  Coaches are smart guys who spend a lot of time dissecting what teams are doing.  So, the problem isn't whether teams have figured you out, but do you have the personnel to run your scheme anyway.  And that's where we've been lacking.  Our defense needs to get pressure from the front four to be successful, unfortunately, we don't have any DL that are getting consistent pressure.  We have had to rely on blitzing to get pressure, and that has hurt us in the back end as well as our ability to disguise what we are doing.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I hear that a lot...access.  But the truth is it's limited access.  They may have heard a comment, talked with someone, whatever.  The problem is we don't have context. And in this case, we only know one part of a much more complex thought process. 

I have no doubt that it bothers Rivera that opponents have figured out our defense, but I don't think that's the impetus behind this move (if rumors are true).  Lets be honest, most defenses and offenses have been figured out in the NFL.  Coaches are smart guys who spend a lot of time dissecting what teams are doing.  So, the problem isn't whether teams have figured you out, but do you have the personnel to run your scheme anyway.  And that's where we've been lacking.  Our defense needs to get pressure from the front four to be successful, unfortunately, we don't have any DL that are getting consistent pressure.  We have had to rely on blitzing to get pressure, and that has hurt us in the back end as well as our ability to disguise what we are doing.  

To be clear, I may have misspoken in one area.

The specific statement was that the Panthers were tired of opponents being able to figure out Rivera's defenses, not Rivera himself.

Who consitutes "the Panthers"? Unknown. If I were to guess, I'd say it's more than likely someone other than Marty Hurney, but that actually is just speculation.

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be clear, I may have misspoken in one area.

The specific statement was that the Panthers were tired of opponents being able to figure out Rivera's defenses, not Rivera himself.

Who consitutes "the Panthers"? Unknown. If I were to guess, I'd say it's more than likely someone other than Marty Hurney, but that actually is just speculation.

Oh, I have no doubt they are tired of it.  But I think a lot goes back to us not having the right personnel.  To be honest, I think our coaches have been scrambling since McDermott left to figure out how to get pressure (since that is the foundation of our defense).  These kind of decisions are never simple, but if you boil it down, it probably comes down to the fact that we can't generate pressure with our front four or stop defenses on third down.  

I think they are just trying to figure out a way for us to get some pressure so we can open up our defensive playbook.

And I'm not even sure if they've made any kind of finalndecision on the defense we will run.  They may be talking about switching to a 3-4, but it likely depends on what we are able to do in FA and the draft.  

[Sub Zero]

12 hours ago, JARROD said:

Well when you run the same kind of defense forever, people are going to eventually get you figured out ha.

also, as it’s been pointed out, 3-4 OLB and much of the other pieces are much more plentiful and cheap compared to looking or paying for elite DE. 

You can still float into 4-3 alignments any time— everything is hybrid now anyways with so many versatile players.

this is also Robs attempt to show that he’s willing to step into fundamental change to get better results.

 

2 of the 3 highest paid defensive  players are 3/4 OLB thoe and with the growing epidemic of horrible Oline play.. You can make alot different player types into 43 DE's..

Examples .. Vic Beasley, Tak McKinley, Mario Addison

[top dawg]

18 hours ago, bandu said:

Marty Hurnery did an outstanding job at the 2018 NFL draft &  prior to Cams shoulder injury the Panthers were 6-2

but you say i want "better football people"

"alrighty then" whatever you say Mr. Scot.

Scot said this year that he thought Rivera was a "good" coach, just that he didn't believe that he was good enough to get us a trophy. Now, his narrative is that Rivera is a bumbling idiot pretty much.

As for me, I'll just say that Rivera has pretty much established himself as a very capable defensive mind in the league. I'm not going to fret over him putting his fingerprints all over the defense because good things are likely to happen.

[Sub Zero]

8 hours ago, Woodie said:

Oh, I have no doubt they are tired of it.  But I think a lot goes back to us not having the right personnel.  To be honest, I think our coaches have been scrambling since McDermott left to figure out how to get pressure (since that is the foundation of our defense).  These kind of decisions are never simple, but if you boil it down, it probably comes down to the fact that we can't generate pressure with our front four or stop defenses on third down.  

I think they are just trying to figure out a way for us to get some pressure so we can open up our defensive playbook.

And I'm not even sure if they've made any kind of finalndecision on the defense we will run.  They may be talking about switching to a 3-4, but it likely depends on what we are able to do in FA and the draft.  

I agree with this.. Nobody had Rivera figured out when he had elite or pro bowl talent on every level on his defense.. 

2 pro bowl dlinemen (KK, Addison)

2 all pro LB (Luke, TD)

A elite CB cutting off half the field (Norman)

And pro bowl safety play (kurt Colemen)

When he had the personal it didn't seem like anybody had him figured out..

[panthers55]

I doubt Rivera worries about job security. It isn't as if other teams wouldn't pick him up in a heartbeat if he were fired. He does what he thinks is best. I am excited to see the defense with him running it and hopefully Fewell will shore up the secondary. The only big unknown is Cam and hopefully we have a good backup plan

[CarolinaNCSU]

I don't like the idea of Tepper having a huge input on the football side, but could also easily still see him feeling his way around with his role and saying "well this is how Pittsburgh did it" or mentioning Rivera's history of using a 3-4.  Maybe he's told Hurney we're going hard after a guy like Clowney, and maybe they envision Luke as being fine in a 3-4 (TJ Watt is similarly built).  Guess we'll find out when FA starts with who we go after. 

[pantherclaw]

On 1/24/2019 at 11:51 AM, bandu said:

Marty Hurnery did an outstanding job at the 2018 NFL draft &  prior to Cams shoulder injury the Panthers were 6-2

but you say i want "better football people"

"alrighty then" whatever you say Mr. Scot.

Despite a oline held together by duct tape, and and good defensive players not executing and not tackling. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

On 1/24/2019 at 2:16 PM, Black&BlueBubba said:

I can see Tepper wanting us to evolve with the rest of the league though.  It has become a pass happy league. It does is no good to be top 5 against the run and bottom 5 against the pass.  I would not put it out of the realm of possibility that Tepper would like us to follow the league. But he would not dictate the X’s and O’s.  It is evident that to compete we will need to rush the passer and protect on the backend.  Maybe Ron is doing this because he is on the hot seat.  And another season of watching our divisional opponents pick apart our soft zones is not going to keep Ron’s job safe.  Maybe if he tries to implement more of a hybrid scheme it may extend his career here. 

It’s harder to draft & develop players for 3-4 scheme especially edge rushers.

Panthers needs to stick to 4-3 and draft a stud DT like Simmons or DE Sweat.

Upgrade the secondary with taller and faster FS similar to Malik Hooker. 

https://youtu.be/fEHKE9QXteQ

[GeorgeHanson]

14 hours ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

I don't like the idea of Tepper having a huge input on the football side, but could also easily still see him feeling his way around with his role and saying "well this is how Pittsburgh did it" or mentioning Rivera's history of using a 3-4.  Maybe he's told Hurney we're going hard after a guy like Clowney, and maybe they envision Luke as being fine in a 3-4 (TJ Watt is similarly built).  Guess we'll find out when FA starts with who we go after. 

Maybe.