LT from WV projection for Panthers by Matt Miller

[LinvilleGorge]

I'd much rather re-sign Darryl Williams, but if we don't re-sign Williams then we're going to have to address OT. We cannot trot Matt Kalil back out there to suck and then end up on IR.

[Soul Rebel]

I too am in the camp of re-signing Williams, having Moton at LT, Van Roten at LG and drafting a C in the 2nd/3rd. I'm not high on 1st round tackles, and would prefer to use it on someone like Sweat, Thompson, or even Adderley.... w/ Adderley being a perfect compliment if we re-sign Reid as our box safety.

Do not want a first round OT unless the board is barren with stud players. Also, curious to see how much fire there is to the 3-4 smoke that's been rumored about.

[Lumps]

52 minutes ago, jtm said:

Stud LT in the draft is a good move.  I thought Larsen was solid at center, others not agree?  I think we big time need pass rushers and I hope the Panthers make a splash in free agency for a game changing DE and I don't even care if they pay big money for one.  

Statistically speaking Larsen was better than Kalil at Center last year, for most of the season.

I think Kalil helps Cam (and others) remember plays like Olsen does, and that is why is seems different with Kalil in there but, I'd wish we'd get to a point where out team doesn't need to be doing this all the time. I also wished Cam would wear a playbook on his wrist.

Van Roten is a back up and should not be the starter.

Moton-Draft/FA-Larsen-Turner-Williams is what I'd like to see if Williams seems to of healed well and is cheap.

Clark-Amini-Larsen-Turner-Moton is what will probably happen as Rivera is staying and I believe Williams is chasing the money. Hopefully Tepper says fug no to this and stays true to what he said and invest in the oline.

 

[Woodie]

8 hours ago, stbugs said:

I don’t think I’ve seen him at pick 16 in any mock. I think he’ll be available at our 2nd round pick. 

I've seen Cajuste projected anywhere from pick 17 through the end of the first.  I don't think I've seen one mock that has him going in the 2nd.  If we want him, it will have to be at 16.

From everything I've seen, he's a really good LT prospect.  So, if we don't re-sign Williams, I'd have no problem taking him in the 1st.

[Woodie]

3 hours ago, Lumps said:

Statistically speaking Larsen was better than Kalil at Center last year, for most of the season.

I think Kalil helps Cam (and others) remember plays like Olsen does, and that is why is seems different with Kalil in there but, I'd wish we'd get to a point where out team doesn't need to be doing this all the time. I also wished Cam would wear a playbook on his wrist.

Van Roten is a back up and should not be the starter.

Moton-Draft/FA-Larsen-Turner-Williams is what I'd like to see if Williams seems to of healed well and is cheap.

Clark-Amini-Larsen-Turner-Moton is what will probably happen as Rivera is staying and I believe Williams is chasing the money. Hopefully Tepper says fug no to this and stays true to what he said and invest in the oline.

 

Statistically speaking???  How so?  Not doubting, just not sure what you mean.

 

 

[Woodie]

19 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Go to Walterfootball. Both mocks updated today and late last week. He’s 3/4 rounder there. I haven’t seen him mentioned much at all as one of the top tackles, like Little, Taylor and Williams. Pre-combine, pre-senior bowl and ore-pro-days and you see tons of tackles talked about way higher than they go. Remember talk of talking Cam Robinson at pick 8? He went 40th even though he was initially in the top 10 talk. Same with last year and the kid from Oklahoma. He mocked early in the first in all of them. Cajuste doesn’t have the name that those guys did. I’d be ridiculously disappointed if we took him at 16.

Interesting.  He must be dropping.  I hadn't looked at any mocks in the last week or so, and he was consistently listed in the 1st, but I just checked a handful of the ones I usually look at and he's no longer listed.  That's the trouble with mocks this early, they are so unstable with guys rising and dropping all the time.  

With that said, I noticed Williams dropping in most of the mocks as well. He had consistently been in the top five, but now I've seen mocks with him projected to drop past us.  Until the combine and pro days, I don't think we'll really get an idea of how the OT class will shake out.

For the record, I rarely take any of the mocks at Walter seriously.  Every year they have some real head scratchers in their projections.  I think they try to intentionally throw in some monkey wrenches to differentiate themselves from most other mocks...no matter how unlikely some of the picks are.

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

12 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

The Pick: Yodny Cajuste, Offensive Tackle, West Virginia

The days of watching Cam Newton run for his life every passing down can end with the selection of senior left tackle Yodny Cajuste.

Cajuste is a fantastic athlete at a position that is too often overlooked because he played in the Big 12 and operated mostly in a wide-open scheme some scouts want to discount. That will be their loss, as Cajuste has excellent physical tools to work with including fast feet, great balance and enough length to keep pass-rushers off his frame.

The Panthers have to address the offensive line this offseason. Adding Cajuste checks off the team's biggest need.

[Lumps]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

Statistically speaking???  How so?  Not doubting, just not sure what you mean.

 

 

Last year Larsen played for most of the season 12-13 games (?) while Kalil was injured. At the end of the day there was not a drop off. Larson played just as well as Kalil and actually a little better if I remember correctly, meaning assignments, blocking etc. He got better as the season went on, many did not want him to be replaced one he got his groove and Kalil came back at the end of the season or whatever it was while also taking into consideration Kalil’s salary compared to no drop off in play.

The affect of Kalil’s intangibles weren't measured of course, meaning leadership, cohesiveness, familiarization with Cam and keeping everyone on the same page, including Cam, with the plays/assignments being called, and due to this, and him being a fan favorite with name recognition, many fans assume Kalil was a better player by a decent margin but is actually not the truth of the matter. 

IMO Kalil should have been cut and money used elsewhere this season. But we have Hurney, and he was a fan favorite. He got a farewell tour.

[pantherj]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

JFC, not this LG again. Why in the world would you move a guy who in his first year starting was ranked in the top 10 tackles (finished around 11 I think) to guard?

Honestly, with also playing LT a few games well, you’d be dumb to pay Williams $$$ and not just play Moton at RT. What has Williams in his 1 year made him more proven than Moton in his one year? Williams can’t play LT.

Moving a very good tackle to guard is a very bad football decision. You call Williams a proven player with one year starting and limited to RT and you’re more than happy to start a rookie at LT even though there’s maybe a couple examples of that working well in the past 4 years. Moton is a tackle. He’s been a tackle all but one year of his college and pro career and he’s proven to be able to play both sides. LG is the easiest position to play on the entire OL.

When your QB can't throw deep and he's throwing a lot of check downs, and CMC chips the guy you're blocking on the medium stuff you'll get great results at pass blocking. It doesn't change the slow feet sloppy issues. Guys are going to go around him if we implement deeper passes imo, which we have to do if we're going to win a SB.

Moton got away with some holding when he was playing RT in college. If we see a LT at 16th that is good value I'd have no problem pulling the trigger and giving him a shot. If the LTs available at 16th don't look better than Moton, then obviously you pass on LT and let Moton play the position.

If Western Michigan had better OTs than Moton, hence he played G for a season, shouldn't we have better OTs as well?

I am not down on Moton. If we can't upgrade the OT position in the draft then it won't be the end of the world. I think we're going to be ok if Moton goes out to OT on either side, but I also think we can do better. We'll see how the draft pans out.