Report: Panthers Considering switch to 3-4

[d-dave]

Or since the NFL is moving to a more hybrid / match up game, doesn't it make sense to have at least one good pass rushing OLB?  have them come in and play either a rush end in 4-3 or a Rush LB in 3-4?

Or am I missing something really obvious....probably...

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Or since the NFL is moving to a more hybrid / match up game, doesn't it make sense to have at least one good pass rushing OLB?  have them come in and play either a rush end in 4-3 or a Rush LB in 3-4?

Or am I missing something really obvious....probably...

By and large, I think way too much is made of the whole 4-3 vs. 3-4 at this point. The nickel package has been the NFL base defense for years now. 

I wouldn't be surprised if 3-3-5 looks start infiltrating the NFL much like spread offenses have. That defensive look has been gaining steam at the college level as a counter to the spread offenses. Maybe not as a base, but I could certainly see some teams incorporating it as an additional wrinkle, especially on obvious passing downs. Lots of interesting blitz packages with that front.

[Black&BlueBubba]

I will say that my concern for this year was finding a decent 4-3 at 16.  Sweat who I was not originally high in is lighting up the senior bowl and could be there for us at 16. 

[Growl]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And you didn't cherry pick with TJ Watt?

I respect the hell out of Wade Phillips as a defensive coach, but he's never been a GM and modern contracts pretty clearly illustrate that his opinion on the matter may no longer be relevant.

modern contracts? Modern contracts are a universal point for great players. Great players get paid great player money. He is, rightfully, talking about a defensive front as a unit.

The point isn't tj watt. The point is that the steelers draft tj watt every single season at the back half of the 1st round.

[Growl]

49 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

You figure out the numerical discrepancy and let me know how big of a difference that is?? Smh 

At some point dude you're just arguing just to argue.. 

Lets just end it with a agree to disagree and move on..

ah, a concession, finally

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, the majority of the innovation of the game has been driven by the college level for quite awhile now. It makes sense. Football is a very physical game where you can physically overwhelm your opposition much more so than any other team sport. If you don't have elite talent like those programs that are constantly in the top 10 (Bama, Clemson, OSU, OU, etc.) you better cook up something different schematically to try to give yourself a chance to compete.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

modern contracts? Modern contracts are a universal point for great players. Great players get paid great player money. He is, rightfully, talking about a defensive front as a unit.

The point isn't tj watt. The point is that the steelers draft tj watt every single season at the back half of the 1st round.

The Steelers do it with RBs too. They just do a great job of evaluating and drafting talent, period. It has nothing to do with 4-3 vs. 3-4. 

If you look at the top paid defensive players, it's a pretty even mix of 4-3 and 3-4 players with the top two being 3-4 OLBs. That's just fact. No opinion forming necessary.

[Growl]

2 other tantalizing points here.

1) this offense has been traditionally embarrassed by 3-4 defenses (most notably in the super bowl... Against wade Phillips) and facing that defense every day and bettering ourselves because of it is a savory prospect

2) wed be the only team in the division doing it, offering up a slew of benefits, meaning we won't be competing with division rivals for prospects, and making us uniquely tough to prepare for, while railroading them into drafting players high for no other purpose than beating us

[Growl]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The Steelers do it with RBs too. They just do a great job of evaluating and drafting talent, period. It has nothing to do with 4-3 vs. 3-4. 

If you look at the top paid defensive players, it's a pretty even mix of 4-3 and 3-4 players with the top two being 3-4 OLBs. That's just fact. No opinion forming necessary.

The steelers aren't drafting Johnny lunchpail from Work Hard U lol.

They're acquiring some of the highest rated prospects in the class in the back half of the 1st round because teams are busy trading away massive draft capital to move up into the 1st half to take Marcus Davenport because they're desperate.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

The steelers aren't drafting Johnny lunchpail from Work Hard U lol.

They're acquiring some of the highest rated prospects in the class in the back half of the 1st round because teams are busy trading away massive draft capital to move up into the 1st half to take Marcus Davenport because they're desperate.

Did you have a point you were trying to make or are you just arguing just for the sake of argument?

It's also ironic you talk about them specifically not drafting "Johnny Lunchpail from Work Hard U" when this was the breakdown of your favorite player TJ Watt from NFL.com:

BOTTOM LINE

 A long-limbed effort rusher who posted impressive numbers against the run and pass in just one year as a starter. He is a tireless worker who pursues from snap to whistle and his brother, J.J., will be a tremendous resource for technique and pass-rush plan. While he is unlikely to win a race to the edge, he's a plus run defender who can get to the quarterback with plus hand work and relentless effort.

[Kevin Greene]

On 1/22/2019 at 9:51 AM, usmcpanthers said:

That kind of change doesn't happen overnight, it takes a couple of seasons. But our D couldn't be much worse than it was last year.

I say no.

McCarthy hired Dom Capers in Green Bay and went from 6-10 without him the previous year to 11-5 with him and a Playoff birth. Won the Lombardi the 2nd year. Key is to grab a great NT.

[Black&BlueBubba]

4 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

I say no.

McCarthy hired Dom Capers in Green Bay and went from 6-10 without him the previous year to 11-5 with him and a Playoff birth. Won the Lombardi the 2nd year. Key is to grab a great NT.

We already have a NT at 346 lbs.  Now how good he will be at this point of his career is a question I can’t answer. 

 

[Growl]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did you have a point you were trying to make or are you just arguing just for the sake of argument?

It's also ironic you talk about them specifically not drafting "Johnny Lunchpail from Work Hard U" when this was the breakdown of your favorite player TJ Watt from NFL.com:

BOTTOM LINE

 A long-limbed effort rusher who posted impressive numbers against the run and pass in just one year as a starter. He is a tireless worker who pursues from snap to whistle and his brother, J.J., will be a tremendous resource for technique and pass-rush plan. While he is unlikely to win a race to the edge, he's a plus run defender who can get to the quarterback with plus hand work and relentless effort.

and are you legitimately trying to contend that tj watt wasn't one of the premiere 34 prospects in the class?

lol at citing the draft savants at NFL.com applying white guy label to white player. His stock was what it was and has manifested as what it is.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Growl said:

and are you legitimately trying to contend that tj watt wasn't one of the premiere 34 prospects in the class?

lol at citing the draft savants at NFL.com applying white guy label to white player. His stock was what it was and has manifested as what it is.

You don't go in the 1st round unless you're a pretty damn good prospect. I think you're just arguing yourself in circles because you honestly don't even know what point you're trying to make.