Officiating was disgusting.

[Newtcase]

1 hour ago, Manther said:

I think the most maddening part is its called sometimes.  Roughing the passer is called if Brady is literally just touched with a hand...meanwhile helmet to helmet full steam hits on Cam...nothing.  That is the fuking crap that needs to stop.  As for holds, they make a huge difference in a game....and are called soooo unevenly.  I don't know that we have to call every misstep, but we need to address the Odell Beckham behavior.

Well in context of this thread of my replies on this thread.  That's the issue without allowing penalty/no penalty review.  You can find a penalty if you look and that's what would happen every time a game changing play was made.  A coach would challenge for a penalty and erase it.  

49 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

That would be a great argument if Cam wasn't 2nd overall only behind Cousins in active starting QB's when it comes to roughing the passer calls per game. Brady isn't in the top 10. Per sack, Cam is ahead of Brady as well. Different styles of play but this narrative is exaggerated around here. 

Wow, that's some truth I didn't even realize.  Although I'd be more interested in the ratio of calls/no calls when it should have been called.  Brady gets the ball out fast and thus stays remarkably clean most games.  Cam may be 2nd but that doesn't mean there still aren't more misses than average.

[RIVERABALL]

1 hour ago, Newtcase said:

Perhaps, I'd call that conjecture.  Just as easily the coaches could simply commit to not adjusting and forcing the NFL's hand knowing penalty filled games are not what the league or fanbase wants.

For discussion, lets say I agree with you.  Once all the varieties of holding cease to occur, all the handchecking past 5 yards, all the picks on screens, ya know, all the little poo that's technically a foul but never called.  Without some latitude in calling these, I propose football would look very different.  Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad different, but it'd certainly be a gamble that a very very successful business doesn't need to take to remain successful.  

This is an easy fix, Certain plays continue to be reviewed automatically turnover or scoring. Coaches have 3 times that they can question a play , just allow them to challenge any play they want. 

[Newtcase]

1 hour ago, RIVERABALL said:

This is an easy fix, Certain plays continue to be reviewed automatically turnover or scoring. Coaches have 3 times that they can question a play , just allow them to challenge any play they want. 

I've said it in another post.  That's just kicking the can down the road.  That will immediately evolve into we used all three, won all three, and the refs were still blowing calls.  

[Manther]

3 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

That would be a great argument if Cam wasn't 2nd overall only behind Cousins in active starting QB's when it comes to roughing the passer calls per game. Brady isn't in the top 10. Per sack, Cam is ahead of Brady as well. Different styles of play but this narrative is exaggerated around here. 

Did you watch the pats game?  No exaggeration roughing called for shts and giggles...the announcers and commentating ref all said wtf:

I can't believe you brush away that call, giving a fresh set of downs to pats team when their down. 

I call BS on the Cam ranking.  Please share your source for that one.  Cam was receiving helmet to helmet IN THE POCKET, not running the ball down field.  Just because a guy can run the ball doesn't mean you spear him.  

 

[Manther]

4 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

That would be a great argument if Cam wasn't 2nd overall only behind Cousins in active starting QB's when it comes to roughing the passer calls per game. Brady isn't in the top 10. Per sack, Cam is ahead of Brady as well. Different styles of play but this narrative is exaggerated around here. 

Reading it again, that stat doesn't even apply.  Here's a stat, Cam is bigger and faster than Tom Brady too....it applies about as much as that non stat.

The question becomes how many dubious roughing the passer  calls has Brady received and how many missed calls.  My guess is Brady leads the league ALL TIME.  I only have to go back one game show how EGREGIOUSLY the refs protect baby Brady.  Sometimes I wonder if he needs an oline.

I know Cam had 0, that's read ZERO, roughing the passer calls in 2015....that is with a SB run. The huddle is not exaggerating and not the  the only ones noticing:

"A crazy statistic came to light following the game, one that may shock most football fans. A whopping zero ‘roughing the passer’ calls were called in Newton all last season, including the playoffs and Super Bowl.

Meanwhile, it seems as if a defender does as much as breathe on Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, the flag starts flying."

http://dailysnark.com/crazy-0-roughing-passer-penalties-called-cam-newton-last-season/

 Cam gets RP calls the same as Brady....oh my god you are fuking funny.

[trueblade]

 

[Manther]

4 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

That would be a great argument if Cam wasn't 2nd overall only behind Cousins in active starting QB's when it comes to roughing the passer calls per game. Brady isn't in the top 10. Per sack, Cam is ahead of Brady as well. Different styles of play but this narrative is exaggerated around here. 

People are writing entire articles about the protection the refs give Tom Brady just from this last game

https://www.12up.com/posts/6276315-video-refs-call-worst-roughing-the-passer-for-tom-brady-ever

"I didn't realize that slapping the quarterback's shoulder before he throws the ball constitutes a 15-yard penalty.   This was probably the least amount of contact to result in a roughing the passer call ever, and unfortunately, it cost the  Kansas City Chiefs dearly.  But of course, the contact was on Brady and heaven forbid any defender try to stop him from throwing the ball. "

Your stat is just a joke in context.  Can you show me an article where someone is claiming the refs overprotect Cam?....I'd love to read it.

[Johnny Rockets]

24 minutes ago, Manther said:

People are writing entire articles about the protection the refs give Tom Brady just from this last game

https://www.12up.com/posts/6276315-video-refs-call-worst-roughing-the-passer-for-tom-brady-ever

"I didn't realize that slapping the quarterback's shoulder before he throws the ball constitutes a 15-yard penalty.   This was probably the least amount of contact to result in a roughing the passer call ever, and unfortunately, it cost the  Kansas City Chiefs dearly.  But of course, the contact was on Brady and heaven forbid any defender try to stop him from throwing the ball. "

Your stat is just a joke in context.  Can you show me an article where someone is claiming the refs overprotect Cam?....I'd love to read it.

Damn...3 responses?!   I had no evil agenda with my statement. Simply stated something I came across a while back that I found interesting and contradicts the usual narrative a bit.

I am well aware there are other factors at play and it can be interpreted in different ways just as Newtcase mentioned. Just something for people to read and say "hmmmm, never realized that....doesn't change my mind but interesting". Save your time, energy, and multiple responses for another day cause this ain't it. I have no emotional attachment to the subject. 

[Manther]

49 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

Damn...3 responses?!   I had no evil agenda with my statement. Simply stated something I came across a while back that I found interesting and contradicts the usual narrative a bit....I have no emotional attachment to the subject. 

Should I have just edited them into one post?   Didn't know it mattered. 

Dude, you sited a statistic that implied Cam receives a fairer shake from the refs than Tom Brady two days after, what might be, the worst roughing the passer call of all time in a league championship game at a crucial point.    You really don't realize how this pisses people off?  Really?

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http://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?