Focus on building OLine

[RumHam]

It's obvious management isn't going anywhere. We have too many gaps to fill with limited money even if people take pay cuts. Look at the Colts, they shored up their line and have 100mil in cap space going into next season. Would you rather continue the trend we've been doing or have Hurney focus on shoring up one position? At 14, we can get the best interior lineman in the draft that'll be here for years. This is what Hurney is good at. Drafting the best player at a position that isn't in high demand from other teams. Much like WR last year, LB with Luke. Signing the center from Denver, move Moton to LT and resign Willliams. All of a sudden, on paper at least, you have a top 5 line in the league. Let Ron run the defense and see if it improves just on that, but the personnel is serverely lacking. On top of this, do you sit Cam and let a backup succeed behind that line that can open holes for CMC and give proper protection?

tldr; we need to break the bank on making this the best offense line the Panthers have ever had.

[RumHam]

The Colts offensive gameplan was putrid. But i'd take that colts line over ours. I'm just saying if we put all our focus on the OL, I think we'd see significant improvement across the board.

[JARROD]

It’s funny— 2 weeks or so ago when someone would post about drafting a LT and C with the first 2 picks then we would get lambasted and treated like the dumbest fans ever.

all of a sudden, over half of the mock drafts have us drafting a LT first,.. I looked again this morning, well over half,.. Tepper makes his comments and now we not so stupid.

theres so much defensive line talent in the draft that a run on offensive players will happen— it’s just what happens with Supply and scarcity— so there will be guys in the 2nd that “no way they get past 15” today.

we will get a good Safety and corner in our 2nd and 3rd round picks— my wildcard is a n OLB. There will be a center in there unless we go out and get a Center FA as well.

so I’m saying LT C DB DB first 4 picks in no certain order except hoping the first pick is LT.

[Riverboat Ron]

Nah, they'll roll with Kalil, Silatolu, Larsen, Turner and Moton. Williams will walk, we'll draft LB in the 1st and a CB turned S in the 2nd. 

[JARROD]

4 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Nah, they'll roll with Kalil, Silatolu, Larsen, Turner and Moton. Williams will walk, we'll draft LB in the 1st and a CB turned S in the 2nd. 

If Ron does that he’s signing his death warrant—- might as well drink a gallon of bleach.

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Mocks know we have 1 tackle. Lots of mocks had us taking Tyler Crosby tackle from Oregon last year in the 2nd or 3rd (that’s how he got on my radar). We didn’t take a single OL last year when it was supposed to be the best interior OL draft in forever. We picked Haynes at the end of the 4th and let the Lions grab Crosby in the 5th, but hey Hurney traded for the guy Crosby beat out.

If we go with those first four, we are in a poo ton of trouble. Our DL will be Addison, Short, Poe and Haynes/Obama and we will be brutalized. The extra DBs will be chasing people while we get even less pressure on QBs.

I really hope we resign Williams because the plan of a C in the 2nd, I love. I hate T at 16. I see more of an Ereck Flowers or Kolton Miller or a hey our rookie T is now LG because he’s not good enough or hey we had to keep Kalil because he’s better. Nightmare scenario where just like we ignored the depth at G/C we ignore the depth at DL in this draft. Also, deep DL this year doesn’t mean starters are DL will be sitting there in the 5th and 6th.

Yeh, I’m not blind— in truth we need both lines, OLB, 2 DB just to be competitive.

if we draft DE, DT, CB, DB or OLB, DE CB DB or some combination then so be it,.. but the offense is in trouble.

if we go my way— the defense is in trouble.

so I can see arguments for both sides of the ball— can’t bash anyone for saying let’s go draft a good defensive front and DB. They are not wrong.

one offseason is not going to fix the team.

they need to pick a side, fix it and then the other side in 20-20. Imo 

what will probably happen is we draft DE/OLB/OT in the first, then C/S/CB or OLB in 2nd and so on,.. 

So some of each side gets fixed with some big gaping holes to fill in 20-20.

[RumHam]

27 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Nah, they'll roll with Kalil, Silatolu, Larsen, Turner and Moton. Williams will walk, we'll draft LB in the 1st and a CB turned S in the 2nd. 

I hate that you're probably right.

[RumHam]

11 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Yeh, I’m not blind— in truth we need both lines, OLB, 2 DB just to be competitive.

if we draft DE, DT, CB, DB or OLB, DE CB DB or some combination then so be it,.. but the offense is in trouble.

if we go my way— the defense is in trouble.

so I can see arguments for both sides of the ball— can’t bash anyone for saying let’s go draft a good defensive front and DB. They are not wrong.

one offseason is not going to fix the team.

they need to pick a side, fix it and then the other side in 20-20. Imo 

what will probably happen is we draft DE/OLB/OT in the first, then C/S/CB or OLB in 2nd and so on,.. 

So some of each side gets fixed with some big gaping holes to fill in 20-20.

That's why i'm wondering if we take the L on the defensive side of the ball and focus on the oline completely. If we are able to give ample protection, we could control the ball for longer and sustain drives further masking the defense. Our D basically has one good player that's proven at this point and it's Luke. Everyone else either fell off or is old or unproven.

[AU-panther]

35 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We pick 16 and the best interior OL there is a huge reach. Pick 47 or 77 are great spots for interior OL who are almost as good as the guy you reach for at 16. 

What about someone like Cody Ford?  He might be a better guard prospect then some of the guards, but you also have the potential of getting a good tackle.

Short term he helps you at guard and maybe he develops into a quality tackle down the road.  Lot of value in that.

 

[mc52beast]

Don’t really have high expectations for this team in 2019, holes to fill everywhere with limited cap space. We have the same “leaders” making decisions that have been horrible in years past so why expect anything different now?

 

Oh wait, Ron fired two assistants and a wr coach... SB!!!

[JARROD]

19 minutes ago, stbugs said:

At 16, I don’t think I’d be happy. If he’s deemed a guard before the draft, he could be in play at 47 since guards drop versus tackles. I’d love to see him at 47.

Yeh, unless he was a generational guard or something.

im seeing a lot of mocks— and it’s still very early— but Taylor, Little and in a few even Jonah...

but if they are any good they will all go early with teams choosing to let all that talent on the defensive side slide. It’s always like that with scarcity.

i would not be upset at all if we draft a DE or 3-4 DE, or 3-4 OLB or something first and the other 2nd.

i wouldn’t even be upset if the first 4 picks were all front 7.

we do need DB,.. and we need at least 1 safety if Reid is really coming back. If he’s not we screwed, and we really need another CB too. 

So if we took this entire draft to take front 7 with the first 4 picks and all DB with the back I’m not upset,..

that will just mean we are going to plug and play the best we can with the offense we have until we can fix that side in 20/20.

 

[JARROD]

What’s the poo about Rumrum? I basically totally agree with you,.. 

[BlackCats2013]

If our Offensive line ever became a force even something to match what our defensive line used to be or what we used to be known for we'd be dangerous 

[Cuttinedge]

1 hour ago, Riverboat Ron said:

Nah, they'll roll with Kalil, Silatolu, Larsen, Turner and Moton. Williams will walk, we'll draft LB in the 1st and a CB turned S in the 2nd. 

No it’s a slow CB with limited coverage skills to convert to  slow poor coverage/tackling  type safety