Why Does No One Mention the Fact That We've Won Zero Playoff Games in 3 Seasons After a Super Bowl Trip?

[jfra78]

Missed opportunities

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

I’m willing to believe this but I certainly have yet to see evidence of it.  The converse, in fact.

The NFL’s history is full of owners who are/were “smart” businessmen but are/were utter failures as football-men.

The guy is a billionaire for a reason. He may not be great at managing a football franchise but that doesn’t mean he isn’t smart. Hell, Jerry Jones was a smart man once but honestly I think age and ego have caught up with him.

Politics have the same issues. Some politicians are just too damn old be in charge of making major decisions. Times change and what was good back in 1980 may not be in 2019.

Jerry Richardson was a prime example of this.

[Eazy-E]

1 hour ago, cptx said:

I mean, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Seeing them practice in a fkn ballroom is just silly.

Oh I know I’m just pointing out what we know. Tepper was all about talking to the media about changes that he’s bringing to the team like the logo at mid field, cool uniform combos, and a great new indoor practice facility. 

When it has come to questions about the team and actual football it has been radio silence. We still don’t actually know his thoughts on Rivera and Hurney. We only know what reports have speculated about and the fact that they both still have jobs.

I think we all would have loved an end of year presser from Tepper and the fact that we didn’t get one is a bit concerning.

[Wanderlai]

Shot our load in 2015....came up short.....now we can’t get it up again

[Wolfpredator]

We just have some things to figure out after we go back and look at some things. Ron, am I doing it right?

[Jangler]

dear diary....

[rhyslloyd]

Not only have we not won a playoff game since, we've only won 6 games in the division during that period. We've averaged 2 wins in our division over the last 3 years.  That's pathetic.  But, yeah, Ron's a good coach.

[Icege]

The offseason following the Super Bowl was awful. Almost every decision that the team made was the wrong one.

• KB regressing instead of impressing
• Funchess not providing much of a boost
• Oher's concussion issues that forced Mike Remmers to LT (but it did force the coaches to play DWill at RT!)
• Kony Ealy disappearing after SB50
• the debacle that was the Josh Norman release (even though it ended up being better to not have spent the long term $$$ probably)
• the day 1 & 2 draft selections of Vernon Butler and Daryl Worley

Then the following season the team...

• Signs Matt Kalil
• Signs Russell Shepard
• Signs Captain Munnerlyn
• Trades their 4th to move up in the 3rd to select Daeshon Hall

The Hall pick, while it sucks the DE group didn't get better because of it, probably really wasn't that detrimental considering several factors. One being that ARI took Dorian Johnson in the 4th, and CAR carried him on the roster this season. The other being that in this same draft we scooped CMC, Curtis Samuel, Taylor Moton, Armahgeddon, and Butker (even though he isn't on the team, we could have saved some money on Gano). If Corn Elder ends up being the answer at nickel, Daeshon Hall would end up being the only pick that didn't pan out from that draft which is insane (could you imagine had we stuck at #98 and grabbed Eddie Jackson instead? BOIIII).

It's pretty wild how a couple of seemingly small moves end up making such huge ripples later on, and even more so to see how much can be addressed with a little luck. All of those bad moves we clearly saw, but what those results overshadowed at some times was just how awesome the 2017 draft class was for the team. 2018 is showing a lot of promise with the emergence of DJ Moore, Donte Jackson, and Ian Thomas. I'm not optimistic about Gaulden and Norton, and can see Haynes going either way. If Carter Jr or Smith however emerges, then the 2018 draft will have been an above average draft for the team as well. It sucks having to gamble on the draft, but if we can have a draft that's nearly as good as last season's I think the team will take some of the veteran losses coming up much better than expected (if it's as good as the 2016 draft, we're winning the chip  )

[thefuzz]

Said it before, and I'll keep on saying it.

2015 hurt this franchise long term, much more than it helped.  I wish we could delete it from everyones memories.

[Toomers]

32 minutes ago, Icege said:

The offseason following the Super Bowl was awful. Almost every decision that the team made was the wrong one.

• KB regressing instead of impressing
• Funchess not providing much of a boost
• Oher's concussion issues that forced Mike Remmers to LT (but it did force the coaches to play DWill at RT!)
• Kony Ealy disappearing after SB50
• the debacle that was the Josh Norman release (even though it ended up being better to not have spent the long term $$$ probably)
• the day 1 & 2 draft selections of Vernon Butler and Daryl Worley

Then the following season the team...

• Signs Matt Kalil
• Signs Russell Shepard
• Signs Captain Munnerlyn
• Trades their 4th to move up in the 3rd to select Daeshon Hall

The Hall pick, while it sucks the DE group didn't get better because of it, probably really wasn't that detrimental considering several factors. One being that ARI took Dorian Johnson in the 4th, and CAR carried him on the roster this season. The other being that in this same draft we scooped CMC, Curtis Samuel, Taylor Moton, Armahgeddon, and Butker (even though he isn't on the team, we could have saved some money on Gano). If Corn Elder ends up being the answer at nickel, Daeshon Hall would end up being the only pick that didn't pan out from that draft which is insane (could you imagine had we stuck at #98 and grabbed Eddie Jackson instead? BOIIII).

It's pretty wild how a couple of seemingly small moves end up making such huge ripples later on, and even more so to see how much can be addressed with a little luck. All of those bad moves we clearly saw, but what those results overshadowed at some times was just how awesome the 2017 draft class was for the team. 2018 is showing a lot of promise with the emergence of DJ Moore, Donte Jackson, and Ian Thomas. I'm not optimistic about Gaulden and Norton, and can see Haynes going either way. If Carter Jr or Smith however emerges, then the 2018 draft will have been an above average draft for the team as well. It sucks having to gamble on the draft, but if we can have a draft that's nearly as good as last season's I think the team will take some of the veteran losses coming up much better than expected (if it's as good as the 2016 draft, we're winning the chip  )

  Both GMs blew huge opportunities. In the middle of doing very good jobs, as you stated. 

 I was losing it in 2017 when we traded up for Hall. Wasn’t a fan of the first 3 picks, OOPS...lol, so by this time I’m livid. We lost Eddie Jackson AND Carl Lawson. Think a young cheap pass rusher would help? Again, good draft but big miss. 

   Same with Gaulden. We needed a FS with coverage ability. Our Safeties were Adams and Searcy. Go get Justin Reid. Great job getting value and Ian Thomas. But why Haynes? 

   Tough to complain with solid results otherwise. But after 2016 we needed a HR. 

  

 

[CPcavedweller]

20 hours ago, top dawg said:

Well, that type of stuff is going to happen with bewildering moves by management, a terrible handcuff of a contract that has reverberating negative effects that transcend seasons, incomplete lines, backups in your receiving corps, and injuries in general, not to mention injuries to your franchise QB's throwing shoulder. I mean, it's not a mystery that we haven't won a postseason game. In the same vein, franchise history hasn't been kind to us to have successive winning seasons, so if you look at the cycle (especially in conjunction with the aforementioned), we were not really "on schedule" to win anything at least two of the last three years.

This season's primary issue was Cam's shoulder and the DC changeover for 3 consecutive seasons. The defense should be back on track this coming season but how does Cam's shoulder respond? If he has the same issue that Luck had, he needs to get it fixed and sit as long as is necessary to heal. Cam not being able to throw the ball but 40 yards in the air isn't going to cut it in the NFL or in Norv's system. 

[panthers55]

20 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

I think every one of us realizes this which is why 90% of the fan base wanted and expected Rivera and Hurney to be fired.

I believe Tepper is a smart guy so he obviously knows this as well. Unfortunately, building a new practice facility is more important to him than building a winning franchise.

Oh and don’t say but he’s a Steelers guy and they don’t overreact and fire their coaches. The Steelers have had 1 losing season in like the past 10 years. If that was the case for the Panthers I’d have no problem giving Ron and Hurney another chance.

It seems to me like Tepper some how still doesn’t know who he wants his GM to be so he doesn’t feel like paying two coaches. This results in lame duck seasons which is what we are currently staring at.

Tepper has been here one year. All of the past history folks bring up has nothing to do with him. What he saw was a 6-2 team collapse due to their franchise QB getting hurt. Cam was hurt in 2016 and  struggled out of the gate in 2017 with little training camp and practice. If we struggle this year things will change but for where he is at, he is doing what he should  do. Those who want Hurney and Rivera fired keep looking at the past which Tepper doesn't have with the Panthers and no reason to give that line of thinking lots of consideration.

[MHS831]

We really got lucky a lot that season---turnovers, injuries, breaks, etc.  Maybe we were not that good. 

 

[Icege]

44 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Both GMs blew huge opportunities. In the middle of doing very good jobs, as you stated. 

 I was losing it in 2017 when we traded up for Hall. Wasn’t a fan of the first 3 picks, OOPS...lol, so by this time I’m livid. We lost Eddie Jackson AND Carl Lawson. Think a young cheap pass rusher would help? Again, good draft but big miss. 

   Same with Gaulden. We needed a FS with coverage ability. Our Safeties were Adams and Searcy. Go get Justin Reid. Great job getting value and Ian Thomas. But why Haynes? 

   Tough to complain with solid results otherwise. But after 2016 we needed a HR. 

  

 

Bruh... could you imagine? If we hung tight and took Eddie Jackson (#98) and Carl Lawson (#115) instead of trading up for Hall at #77 AND kept Butker over Gano to free up cap space? It literally answers two of the biggest holes going into next season for the team while giving us some extra cash for depth. Granted it would literally be a perfect draft in regards to every player contributing and competing, but still.

Oh, I guess Corn would have to pan out too... but lemme dream pls.