Panthers pounded Cam into the ground, CMC is next

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

It’s true, no back lasts more than a few years getting 300+ carries a year,.. 

CJ was perfect at price, age and complement.

i saw CJ plant some linebackers and people blocking, blitz pickup and peremeter blocking— something a lot of running backs suck at.

it would be tough using a draft pick to replace him——-

The blocking argument is most compelling argument to try and keep CJ in my opinion, but people are still failing to acknowledge that Anderson does not want to be a back-up. He was and is that not by choice this season. 

In regards to C-Mac's usage, people must understand that that is not the primary focus at this point in his career. His career will likely go like most three-down-backs' usage, it will lessen as time goes on.

I don't hear many people whining about Barkley's usage or Zeke's usage. Payton and Sanders were men among boys. You try and exploit their truly elite talents while they're at the top of their game and give them help when and if it's necessary. 

[Sub Zero]

30 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

So you are saying the Head Coach does not determine the personnel decisions of his coordinators?  Yes, they do--or should.  The fact is, you do not know who made the decision--but I know who oversees the decision.

The buck stops at the head coach.  It is his job to see the abuse of a player and cosider long and short range outcomes.

In most cases they do.. But in some cases like (The Rams) and this year Panthers the OC or DC has total autonomy over his side of the ball.. And the HC just worries about the side of the ball he is best at.... Shaun Mcvay isn't telling Bum Phillips a thing about the Rams defense as he has plenty of times during interviews.. And all signs pointed to Ron doing the same thing with Norv.. Norv got to hire most of his offensive staff (facts most are his realatives).. The 1st round pick this year was a Norv pick (even the horrible Charlotte Media pick up on that in memes) ..And Ron pretty much said this in Interviews when he was finally able to get Norv here (which he had been trying for years) ..Its what most of the ppl here wanted and got.. Now you want to act like Norv was a innocent bystander on offensive personnel decisions?? Really?? Be mad at Ron for other things lord knows he has made so many that you don't have to make up ones.. 

 

Example .. Sean Payton,  Greg Williams  NO

Dick Lebeua,  Bill Cohwer PIT

Jon Gurdan, Lane Kifflin Tampa 

Mike Dikta, Buddy Ryan Philly

Gary Kubiak,  Bum Phillips  Denver

[TN05]

CMC played about as many snaps as the other top-tier backs (Elliot and Gurley) and received a few more touches than Gurley and much less than Elliot or Barkley. He’s not being run into the ground, he has a very typical workload (320 touches) for a top-tier running back. He actually got even better as the season went on!

What is unique is him being on the field almost every play. You know why? Because when he’s not in, we actually lose options. If we put CJ Anderson or CAP in, the defense knows we aren’t going to throw to him, whereas if CMC is in they have to plan for everything. For our diverse offensive scheme, it frankly doesn’t make a lot of sense to keep your biggest weapon on the bench in any remotely important situations. CMC can do everything, our other backs can’t, and they can’t do it better.

[Peppers90 NC]

Y’all act like Cam involuntarily plays physical and solely blame the organization 

[mc52beast]

58 minutes ago, RIVERABALL said:

Wrong.  He can do more than your average running back. 97% of the offensive plays is stupid.  Now name be the best 2 teams in the playoffs. Both of those teams have 2 good running backs and they both find a way to use them.  Dam even John Fox knew that.  

How many actual touches did CMC have? Being on the field for 97% of the plays doesn’t mean he touched the ball 97% of the time.

[RIVERABALL]

9 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

How many actual touches did CMC have? Being on the field for 97% of the plays doesn’t mean he touched the ball 97% of the time.

So what it means is if he isn’t touching the ball he is blocking and taking a pounding

[Harbingers]

How are these still threads? The seasons done.

[Paa Langfart]

should have added a poll as to what huddlers think CMC 's shelf life will be at this rate of useage.  I give him about 3 more years.

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

The blocking argument is most compelling argument to try and keep CJ in my opinion, but people are still failing to acknowledge that Anderson does not want to be a back-up. He was and is that not by choice this season. 

In regards to C-Mac's usage, people must understand that that is not the primary focus at this point in his career. His career will likely go like most three-down-backs' usage, it will lessen as time goes on.

I don't hear many people whining about Barkley's usage or Zeke's usage. Payton and Sanders were men among boys. You try and exploit their truly elite talents while they're at the top of their game and give them help when and if it's necessary. 

I don’t whine about Barkley or Zeke because they don’t play for the Panthers.

CJ worked great with Gurley— Gurley almost was like a big gashing back to CJs smash.

you so whatever you must to win now. Yes that means you use the elite talent to it’s best—

but at the same time if you have a good compliment, then use them both so you keep them both fresh for one— 2, you don’t run into situations of needing to trial and error the next guy up when someone goes down.

at any rate— I feel CJ getting wasted and pushed out was ridiculous. I doubt it would have hurt CMacs production or the teams if carries would have been split with CJ. 

We definitely couldn’t do worse than 6-10.

 

[TN05]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

How many actual touches did CMC have? Being on the field for 97% of the plays doesn’t mean he touched the ball 97% of the time.

Less than Elliot and Barkley.

[pantherclaw]

Ask CMC if he wants less snaps and less involvement on the offense. 

CMC does everything he can to never come off the field. Him being on the field, makes our offense better and more effective, whether he gets the ball or not. 

Stop blaming the coaching staff for this. They certainly didn't run Cam into the ground. Cam's own play is a physical style of play. And he plays every offensive snap as he is the QB. 

DO YOU EVEN KNOW FOOTBALL (sarcastic question, don't respond to it)

Seriously, don't blame the coaches for a sport that is a physical, and often unforgiving sport. The coaches can't control any of it. 

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I don’t whine about Barkley or Zeke because they don’t play for the Panthers.

CJ worked great with Gurley— Gurley almost was like a big gashing back to CJs smash.

you so whatever you must to win now. Yes that means you use the elite talent to it’s best—

but at the same time if you have a good compliment, then use them both so you keep them both fresh for one— 2, you don’t run into situations of needing to trial and error the next guy up when someone goes down.

at any rate— I feel CJ getting wasted and pushed out was ridiculous. I doubt it would have hurt CMacs production or the teams if carries would have been split with CJ. 

We definitely couldn’t do worse than 6-10.

 

For the record, If I were Norv, I absolutely would have incorporated Anderson into the game. Absolutely! But, where I may differ from some is that I absolutely don't think that using him more would have been the difference between us playing last night or last week. I also don't think that he would have signed another contract with us because I don't think that it's his dream to play second fiddle (realistic or not). I also don't believe that he would have had the same success behind our O-line as he did the Rams' last night. So I think the whole thing is being way overblown.

On an off note, but within the same vein, I suspect that if Cameron Artis-Payne could possibly yield similar results, given a similar situation (but that's mainly a guesstimation on my part). 

I also believe that at the end of the day, C-mac's usage will decrease, and that we will get soneone---even if we "luck' up upon someone---that will be more talented, productive and dynamic than either Anderson or Artis-Payne.

[TheRed]

The best teams in the NFL right now have dynamic ability offensively. 

If you have to run your offense through only one player that limits you. Why would we want to limit ourselves? Especially coming off yet another losing season? We need to get more playmakers involved. We need a capable RB2 regardless of who is behind center.

[Hoenheim]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

C-Mac is a young, smart and strong RB who desires to play as much as possible. Thus far, there has been absolutely nothing to prove that he can't handle his level of usage. When that day comes, it will be addressed. Moreover, an elite RB's shelf life is markedly less than that of a QB's, so things are going to be managed differently.

thats what I've been saying. Why are people continuing to reiterate the pre draft comments about CMC being fragile and not being able to take the workload? Even when he played 2 seasons totally healthy not missing a single game and played so much last year without incident, why is this narrative still here? 

RBs dont last much beyond 30 even the HoF level ones. So far CMCs been remarkably healthy, why are all of you keep assuming that hes going to break down or get injured?