Anderson wasn't good enough for Carolina

[panthers55]

On 1/12/2019 at 9:31 PM, Lumps said:

Cj was a blunder for sure

wheres all the people saying he wasn’t good enough to be used?

It wasn't a blunder. With Cam throwing everything short defenses crowded the line limiting how we could run. CJ is not nearly as good as CMC catching or running the ball. He was unhappy and we knew that our running game wasn't going to be effective without the threat of play action and deep passes. So while he still had value, it wasn't going to work  in our system this season. So Norv let him go to bring in another QB. 

[NJPanthers12]

7 hours ago, panthers55 said:

That is nothing but dramatic overblown commentary about the distant past. Hurney did a good job last year and is ready to keep doing it this year. Your standard seems to be you hold grudges and try to blame Hurney and Rivera for everything and ignore legitimate concerns like injuries and player execution which were the real story in 2018. Fortunately Tepper knows better which is why Ron and Hurney are still here 

Lol in what works did Hurney do a good job? Did you watch this season or Just figured you’ll make stuff up to fit your narrative. Literally did nothing to improve the pass rush or offensive line. His biggest free agent was a bust in Poe. Cut the best move he made all offseason in Anderson. Marty Hurney isn’t a bad GM, he is one of the 5 worst GMs in the game. The fact that he did not receive one interview after he was fired tells you everything you need to know about him.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It wasn't a blunder. With Cam throwing everything short defenses crowded the line limiting how we could run. CJ is not nearly as good as CMC catching or running the ball. He was unhappy and we knew that our running game wasn't going to be effective without the threat of play action and deep passes. So while he still had value, it wasn't going to work  in our system this season. So Norv let him go to bring in another QB. 

  And after we cut CJ, and spent money to replace him with 2 players, were we in a better position, as a team? What if Cam is healthy, and CMC goes down when we are 6-3? Did we have a RB that was better equipped to take over? Since the backup was an insurance policy, why pay more for less coverage? 

[panthers55]

15 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Lol in what works did Hurney do a good job? Did you watch this season or Just figured you’ll make stuff up to fit your narrative. Literally did nothing to improve the pass rush or offensive line. His biggest free agent was a bust in Poe. Cut the best move he made all offseason in Anderson. Marty Hurney isn’t a bad GM, he is one of the 5 worst GMs in the game. The fact that he did not receive one interview after he was fired tells you everything you need to know about him.

Hurney brought in Breeland who screwed us over and then brought in Cockrell which would have helped if he didn't get hurt. Then he did sign Reid and Searcy but unfortunately Searcy went to IR also. He brought in Clark when Kalil and Williams both got hurt which was a good signing that late in the season.  He drafted Thomas who was needed when Olsen went down twice, brought in Moore to fill the void left by Benjamin which was his first good move dumping him.  His goal was fix the secondary which greatly helps the pass rush unless you lose your starting corner twice and have to rely on a rookie who is actually better in the slot then outside. He isn't a bad GM this time around. In fact he is probably middle of the road with a stellar draft record in the first round. He hit it again in 2018 with Moore and Jackson in the second 

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  And after we cut CJ, and spent money to replace him with 2 players, were we in a better position, as a team? What if Cam is healthy, and CMC goes down when we are 6-3? Did we have a RB that was better equipped to take over? Since the backup was an insurance policy, why pay more for less coverage? 

I don't know better is the term I would use. How many times do you have to get rid of a good player on a short term lease when injuries hit and you have to cut someone to free up a roster space elsewhere?. CJ was a luxury we couldn't keep when we had so many ongoing injuries. If CJ was so awesome why did no team pick him up until they needed a RB due to injury? 31 other teams kept what they had instead of signing him. Finally the Rams came calling when Gurley went down.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

I don't know better is the term I would use. How many times do you have to get rid of a good player on a short term lease when injuries hit and you have to cut someone to free up a roster space elsewhere?. CJ was a luxury we couldn't keep when we had so many ongoing injuries. 

But signing two RBs to replace him helps with that?  Please explain how one had to do with QBs and other moves in week 10? 

[panthers55]

Just now, Toomers said:

But signing two RBs to replace him helps with that?  Please explain how one had to do with QBs and other moves in week 10? 

We brought up Cap to fill in the spot and he was already on the roster. We didn't sign him. The other RB .Barner was brought in for special teams something CJ couldn't do.  But we had a roster space left by CJ that we didn't fill until we brought in a QB if I remember correctly. 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Hurney brought in Breeland who screwed us over and then brought in Cockrell which would have helped if he didn't get hurt. Then he did sign Reid and Searcy but unfortunately Searcy went to IR also. He brought in Clark when Kalil and Williams both got hurt which was a good signing that late in the season.  He drafted Thomas who was needed when Olsen went down twice, brought in Moore to fill the void left by Benjamin which was his first good move dumping him.  His goal was fix the secondary which greatly helps the pass rush unless you lose your starting corner twice and have to rely on a rookie who is actually better in the slot then outside. He isn't a bad GM this time around. In fact he is probably middle of the road with a stellar draft record in the first round. He hit it again in 2018 with Moore and Jackson in the second 

  How is almost giving 3/24M to a guy who got league minimum a good thing. Then giving it to Poe and wasting it anyhow.. Cockrell and Searcy were hurt, and if you liked Reid as a player, why wasn’t he here in camp? Not when they had no choice. Olsen, who went down twice got 12M guaranteed. Gano 9M. We paid Torrey Smith 5M. And this is a good year?

[Toomers]

Just now, panthers55 said:

We brought up Cap to fill in the spot and he was already on the roster. We didn't sign him. The other RB .Barner was brought in for special teams something CJ couldn't do.  But we had a roster space left by CJ that we didn't fill until we brought in a QB if I remember correctly. 

We also signed Tavares Cadet. Try to keep up. And since you had to make CAP active, where are we gaining a spot? Because Barker is still active? Right? 

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, Toomers said:

We also signed Tavares Cadet. Try to keep up. And since you had to make CAP active, where are we gaining a spot? Because Barker is still active? Right? 

And Barner went to IR to bring up Johnson actually.  With so many players going to IR it was a turnstile from week to week. CJ was not  in our long range plans so better to go to a team who fits his skill set than have him languish here. I guess we are the only team to.let someone go only to have them resurrect themselves elsewhere.

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

And Barner went to I R to bring up Allen. So Barner was another short term player just like CJ. I did get them confused but either way CJ was not needed or useful.in our scheme given no play action.

   It was actually Shaq Thompson that went on IR. And this all happened a MONTH after cutting CJ. So how is it relevant? Are you just throwing different things against the wall and hoping I don’t know any better? 

[panthers55]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   It was actually Shaq Thompson that went on IR. And this all happened a MONTH after cutting CJ. So how is it relevant? Are you just throwing different things against the wall and hoping I don’t know any better? 

Like I said above with our roster churning like a turnstile each week it was hard to keep up. I had to go to a website listing our transactions in order to make sense of it. But you are right CJ was released and we brought in Cadet who was a roster filler and Barner for special teams. We could have kept CJ but why? He was averaging 6 touches a game and doing little. Again if he was so great why did no one sign him until Gurley got injured. You would think teams would have jumped in him if he were half as great as you and others made him out to be.

[NJPanthers12]

53 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Hurney brought in Breeland who screwed us over and then brought in Cockrell which would have helped if he didn't get hurt. Then he did sign Reid and Searcy but unfortunately Searcy went to IR also. He brought in Clark when Kalil and Williams both got hurt which was a good signing that late in the season.  He drafted Thomas who was needed when Olsen went down twice, brought in Moore to fill the void left by Benjamin which was his first good move dumping him.  His goal was fix the secondary which greatly helps the pass rush unless you lose your starting corner twice and have to rely on a rookie who is actually better in the slot then outside. He isn't a bad GM this time around. In fact he is probably middle of the road with a stellar draft record in the first round. He hit it again in 2018 with Moore and Jackson in the second 

Jesus Christ man. Chris Clark was nothing short of awful this year. What are you possibly watching. Let’s also calm down on saying he hit on Jackson and Moore. Moore is an awful route runner who has fumbling problems. DonTe Jackson got beat a good amount this year. I like both players, but I’m not saying he hit on them yet. Also not sure how breeland screwed us and he wasn’t any good this season when he did play.

you are right on one thing, Reid was a good signing. But let’s be real, tepper pushed for that to happen.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Jesus Christ man. Chris Clark was nothing short of awful this year. What are you possibly watching. Let’s also calm down on saying he hit on Jackson and Moore. Moore is an awful route runner who has fumbling problems. DonTe Jackson got beat a good amount this year. I like both players, but I’m not saying he hit on them yet. Also not sure how breeland screwed us and he wasn’t any good this season when he did play.

you are right on one thing, Reid was a good signing. But let’s be real, tepper pushed for that to happen.

Wrong on all counts as usual. How many great left tackles are sitting around out of work after the season starts? Clark played very well considering he was on the couch the week before. Who was better at that point and available.

Moore was a great rookie who had right at 800 yards and averaged over 14 yards a reception. All for a guy who didn't get a ton of playing time. And Jackson will do well when we move him to the slot where he belongs 

Breeland screwed us because we signed him and he never said he was hurt until our doctors discovered it. Then we had to dump him and find someone else. Lots of wasted time we could have used to get someone else. And he wasn't good because he likely wasn't 100% given all the missed time. And Tepper didn't push anything. Hurney and Rivera decided they wanted Reid  and Tepper signed off. Tepper had little to do with the decision other than agreeing to it.