Kyle Bailey suggests defense going 3-4 is an option

[PantherNation123]

4 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

I'm sorry I disagree..  I don't think we have anybody on the team now who is a starter quality 3/4 Olb.. I know ppl think Mario can do it but I've seen him drop back in pass coverage and it isn't good.. Plus he's past the age where he can just make that change body and mind wise.. If we make this move Mario should be cut to have money and get some actual 3/4 outside lb.. Hayes may have a chance but that's it.. This change would cost way more than getting a DE..

Best post I've seen on this... these people saying KK at DE and Mario/Mayo at OLB clearly haven't really watched any of those players play.  You can't just flip a switch to a 3-4 on a whim... it takes a number of seasons to acquire the correct players for the scheme via draft and/or FA.  We don't have any in our current front 7 that could be true 3-4 fits, aside from Poe and Luke.

[Sub Zero]

6 minutes ago, PantherNation123 said:

Best post I've seen on this... these people saying KK at DE and Mario/Mayo at OLB clearly haven't really watched any of those players play.  You can't just flip a switch to a 3-4 on a whim... it takes a number of seasons to acquire the correct players for the scheme via draft and/or FA.  We don't have any in our current front 7 that could be true 3-4 fits, aside from Poe and Luke.

Thinking more about it.. Poe and Luke are truly the only players we have that fit a 3/4 defense..  I don't understand what other ppl are seeing other than body types maybe..

[saX man]

18 minutes ago, PantherNation123 said:

Best post I've seen on this... these people saying KK at DE and Mario/Mayo at OLB clearly haven't really watched any of those players play.  You can't just flip a switch to a 3-4 on a whim... it takes a number of seasons to acquire the correct players for the scheme via draft and/or FA.  We don't have any in our current front 7 that could be true 3-4 fits, aside from Poe and Luke.

Depends on the transition.  I agree that Addison is not suitable for an EDGE role.  He plays with them muddy fingertips as the old crew says.  KK wouldn't have a big leap however.  He already plays 1 through 5 tech with us.  It's within his capacity as it stands.  

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, saX man said:

Depends on the transition.  I agree that Addison is not suitable for an EDGE role.  He plays with them muddy fingertips as the old crew says.  KK wouldn't have a big leap however.  He already plays 1 through 5 tech with us.  It's within his capacity as it stands.  

If I give you KK.. With real  faults like his drop in production this season, his age, and the fact he never played the position before.. That still only 3 players in a front 7 that still needs 12 to 13 more players (starters and depth) to make this even a viable option. .. I'm just looking at reality..

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, saX man said:

Depends on the transition.  I agree that Addison is not suitable for an EDGE role.  He plays with them muddy fingertips as the old crew says.  KK wouldn't have a big leap however.  He already plays 1 through 5 tech with us.  It's within his capacity as it stands.  

I think Addison could do it, he was project as a 3-4 olb in the draft as his best position professionally

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Ya know, the switch to 3-4 actually is far-fetched this time...We were going to have to re-haul much of the D anyways. I could see this working well if we can get a few more big bodies for the line. This would actually be a perfect storm for Haynes because he was a 3-4 OLB in college and can't put on the weight to be a 4-3 DE. Interesting to think about. 

Do you mean isn't far fetched ?

[jfra78]

 

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

I think Addison could do it, he was project as a 3-4 olb in the draft as his best position professionally

Didnt Addison play OLB in college?

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Why do ppl keep saying Mario can play OLB in a 3/4?? 

Just because he is about that size doesn't mean he has the skill or the time to develop them..

It's more about Mario's athletic ability and the skill sit that he has. He most certainly can  play OLB in a 3/4.  Why must you be so dismissive?

It certainly is more than just size. 

Every year up until this one, I'm the one of the ones making the argument against switching to a 3/4, because I know that it's so much more than plugging players in. 

What I am saying, if there was a time to.make a transition to the 3/4, the Panthers are better equipped now to make the switch, than they ever have been since the team has been playing the 4-3. 

That statement is true.  

Not saying it would be a seamless transition, but this would be a good time to do it.  It'll arguably be more difficult to stay in a 4-3,  depending how the draft goes. 

[CPF4LIFE]

6 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

The Saints scored 12 points on us with all of their starters. Not the best example to use.

So that makes up for the 3 games they scored 30+ on us last year?  I dont think one good game by the defense at home after being terrible all season changes things. 

[RIVERABALL]

And which of the 2 dopes is going to coach a 3-4 defense.  

"My whole attitude is still making sure I'm training and helping Eric to grow," Rivera said. "He's a terrific coordinator in terms of mapping things out, and with a little more experience he can be a very good play-caller as well."

[ncfan]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

 

Didnt Addison play OLB in college?

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=81720&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

[thefuzz]

Would completely neuter one of the best defensive players of all time.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Doesn't make sense if it's coming from Rivera.  His ass is on the line, so he creates an entirely new defense?  

So if it's an idea coming from Tepper, maybe it was part of the agreement Ron stays?...which I also don't like if Tepper is deciding on what base defense to play.  

 

Could be exciting, but I don't buy it

[JARROD]

3-4 looks get achieved all the time by the technique lineup and where the safeties drop,.

there are very few running strict 3-4 or 4-3 base defenses any more.

the need to have 3-4 DB on the field all the time and have DB that are versatile to stop runs and cover better than linebackers has caused that.

having DE that can play DE but then move to the interior or drop into coverage also have caused this.

we play a lot of 3-4 and 5-2 type of looks already. 

I do like some of the 3-4 defensive ends and think one of those or one of the 3-4 OLB would really help us.

short playing more 5 technique may push the pocket more instead of his 3 technique. 

Poe is a nose tackle.