PFF gives Moton props

[heel31ok]

11 hours ago, stbugs said:

He’s a guard and is worse than Kalil at LT. Just getting those out of the way.

Just shows how bad the rest of the league is...

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

  I hope not. Teams trying to “make” quality LTs out of subpar talent is a major reason so many busts come at LT. I’m sure by the time the draft rolls around, there will be a couple that suddenly rise up boards because the need is there for a lot of teams including us. 

   I have confidence in Moton. But I don’t have confidence that we will be able to sign Williams. He’s going to be the top available OT. Even coming off his injury. A more “cap-rich” team can afford to take a chance on him much easier than us. Even in this scenario, I go with Moton at LT and use the 10M or so to either sign more OL help or address DL with it, and start trying to get a RT at 47. 

  Until we know what Williams is doing, and where else we spend, it’s difficult to even speculate. But it’s no fun not to. 

Need to draft 2 versatile OT...there are several who can play inside and outside...

[JARROD]

10 hours ago, Toomers said:

   As I clearly stated(on this very page) we have no idea what we “need”, specifically, until DW is decided and FA is over. So I’m not in favor of any certain player. And I’m sure not saying “draft a position no matter what”. That’s all you. 

 You made a general statement like that, and are still defending that stance. And doing it by telling me I’m wanting a certain player or position. If we somehow resign Williams, are we still taking the best OT available? 

  And it’s obvious you have no “logic” in anything you say. By any crazy definition you want to make up for it. 

Hurney takes the BPA. He does that. We took Luke when we had Jon Beason still at 100% back then remember?

sometimes if he has 2-3 players that are in a bubble he will also take a need.

so don’t get your panties in a bunch if that ends up being a Left Tackle,

i wont get upset if that’s a tightend or a wide receiver— what if it is?

he does that.

 

[JARROD]

9 hours ago, heel31ok said:

Need to draft 2 versatile OT...there are several who can play inside and outside...

Thank you—

these guys start going nuts saying draft a BPA not a need but then avoid the BPA because they don’t think it’s a need.

cant have it both ways, drives me nuts.

of course I want the player that’s going to be the best for us and have a great impact at the same time.

if that’s BPA another wide receiver, everyone will go nuts, but that’s BPA if that player is on your board better than the DE you think you need.

DE have one of the highest 1st round bust rates but people still go nuts for them.

im more high on some of the 3-4 DE and some of the 3-4 OLB than the 4-3 DE from the scouting reports.

but we need 2 OT and I would be happy if that’s what we drafted back to back

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Hurney takes the BPA. He does that. We took Luke when we had Jon Beason still at 100% back then remember?

sometimes if he has 2-3 players that are in a bubble he will also take a need.

so don’t get your panties in a bunch if that ends up being a Left Tackle,

i wont get upset if that’s a tightend or a wide receiver— what if it is?

he does that.

 

Let me add, which may be the most important of all, that Hurney hits on legitimate starters in the first. He does that! 

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Let me add, which may be the most important of all, that Hurney hits on legitimate starters in the first. He does that! 

Exactly. 

Me saying I want that to be an OT is just that. 

But saying I don’t want it to be a DE, when in fact that BPA could end up being a DE is of course defeating the BPA strategy.

if Hurney drafts a DE, 3-4 DE, OLB, OT, CB, WR,.. I trust that player will have a great immediate impact like Luke, Stewart, Otah until he got hurt, Thomas davis, Cam Newton, DJ Moore,..

as long as he doesn’t go pushing off for any Everette Browns or clausens— that killed us.

[Toomers]

6 hours ago, JARROD said:

Hurney takes the BPA. He does that. We took Luke when we had Jon Beason still at 100% back then remember?

sometimes if he has 2-3 players that are in a bubble he will also take a need.

so don’t get your panties in a bunch if that ends up being a Left Tackle,

i wont get upset if that’s a tightend or a wide receiver— what if it is?

he does that.

 

 Who’s talking about what Hurney would do? This was all about your “plan”. And once again you bring something of no relevance to deflect from a simple question. 

  So we resign DW and draft OT in the first? Or is it the first two picks now? 

  Only one of us is “pounding the table” for their guy or their plan. Considering it’s almost impossible to know what direction we will go in FA, it’s all speculation. I simply said the OT class is subpar and none are worth that pick. Especially with better players at positions of similar need. And Since its purely my opinion, it can be wrong very easily. But any moves we make won’t change that for me. 

  The only offensive players that should be considered before day 3 are OL. 

[Toomers]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Wait, what? We need 2 tackles? Did Moton get cut? You want to pick tackles in the first and second and do what with Moton?

By the way, look at the T bust rate in the first round in the last 4 drafts and realize that 2016 was actually a good tackle class compared to the rest. 2019 tackles in the draft are more like 2015, 2017 and 2018 and most of the success has been RT or guys moved to guard (because they weren’t good tackles).

I really hope we try to resign Williams. We can improve our entire team so much more that way by going DL heavy and C/G. Our weak spots right now on OL are that we have one tackle, Van Roten and Larsen. Signing Williams makes the OL fix very easy. We could make a really good OL in two picks (2nd and one of the 3rds or 4th) or one pick (2nd) and a FA.

   Depending on Juwaan James and Trent Brown, DW is probably the top tackle on the market. Or top 3. It’s going to be tough with teams having tons of money. I figure if you’re committed to pay DW 10M/yr(probably not enough) then if we miss on Williams, there are options on the OL. I’m curious if Matt Paradis will cost a lot.  We need to invest in DW, or someone else, before the draft. 

[JARROD]

25 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Who’s talking about what Hurney would do? This was all about your “plan”. And once again you bring something of no relevance to deflect from a simple question. 

  So we resign DW and draft OT in the first? Or is it the first two picks now? 

  Only one of us is “pounding the table” for their guy or their plan. Considering it’s almost impossible to know what direction we will go in FA, it’s all speculation. I simply said the OT class is subpar and none are worth that pick. Especially with better players at positions of similar need. And Since its purely my opinion, it can be wrong very easily. But any moves we make won’t change that for me. 

  The only offensive players that should be considered before day 3 are OL. 

Dude I think you are having a stroke— 

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Dude I think you are having a stroke— 

   Why? Because I’m pistol-whipping a blind kid? You’re comically immature and uninformed. 

  And of course.continue to go to any length to avoid answering any question. Again and again and again....

[JARROD]

5 hours ago, stbugs said:

Wait, what? We need 2 tackles? Did Moton get cut? You want to pick tackles in the first and second and do what with Moton?

By the way, look at the T bust rate in the first round in the last 4 drafts and realize that 2016 was actually a good tackle class compared to the rest. 2019 tackles in the draft are more like 2015, 2017 and 2018 and most of the success has been RT or guys moved to guard (because they weren’t good tackles).

I really hope we try to resign Williams. We can improve our entire team so much more that way by going DL heavy and C/G. Our weak spots right now on OL are that we have one tackle, Van Roten and Larsen. Signing Williams makes the OL fix very easy. We could make a really good OL in two picks (2nd and one of the 3rds or 4th) or one pick (2nd) and a FA.

Yeh tackles bust too for sure. I think we do need 2 tackles and a center. At least a tackle and a center.

williams will depend on what other teams offer. We broke.

Dline heavy I’m totally with also— I like some of the 3-4 DE and some 3-4 OLB. If we go defense heavy I would love to see those drafted and another corner or safety or both. I’m totally fine with drafting a whole defense with our picks.

i do think some of the tackles in the draft are better than some give them credit for

[JARROD]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   Why? Because I’m pistol-whipping a blind kid? You’re comically immature and uninformed. 

  And of course.continue to go to any length to avoid answering any question. Again and again and again....

And you honestly think you are more informed because you cruise and read the same scouting reports and mock drafts and write ups as anyone else?

comically immature? Says the guy “pistol whipping a blind kid” on the internet. If you were so mature you wouldn’t watch men play a little kids game, post on the internet,.. 

thats real mature there smalls.

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

And you honestly think you are more informed because you cruise and read the same scouting reports and mock drafts and write ups as anyone else?

comically immature? Says the guy “pistol whipping a blind kid” on the internet. If you were so mature you wouldn’t watch men play a little kids game, post on the internet,.. 

thats real mature there smalls.

 

  I haven’t read a single thing on Jonah Williams or Greg Little. I watched them plenty enough to form my own opinion. And stating a guy never played LT was a commonly known fact. I see mainly SEC players. I listen to others on others confrerences players. But every player you brought up was from the SEC. so make up another “theory” to avoid any actual thought. 

   Now you don’t care if we draft all defense, but have been going on and on at the mere suggestion we take something besides OT in the first. You can’t even keep the trolling straight. Sorry you got caught in the adult swim. 

  

[JARROD]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We aren’t broke. That’s a fallacy. Cut Smith, Munnerlyn and Searcy and you’re at 33-35m in space. Cut Poe (pick 16 could easily be BPA at DT) and Kalil and it’s $13.5m more this year and $16m more space in 2020.

I think we could easily afford Williams and a vet S. Probably even a vet CB although I hope Cockrell really helps. Sucked he got hurt because Captain sucks.

We’ve got enough space and that’s without extending Shaq to cheapen him or redoing Addison. We probably can’t afford two big deals and probably don’t want to without knowing Cam’s prognosis. 

If we sign Williams and roll with Moton I’d be happy with that, draft a whole defense.

im not stuck to one player in the draft— I just want the team to win next year