PFF gives Moton props

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t know any other ratings services and he’s been lauded by other writers and sites.

Finding a top LT in the draft is a crap shoot and takes higher picks. Using pick 16 for a tackle (only if Williams doesn’t resign) is risky. I honestly think there’s a better chance that we find a stud C/G at 47 than a stud T at 16. This year’s tackle class is underwhelming and if we want to contend we can’t take a T and have him be similar to the 9 underwhelming to complete busts Ts taken in the 1st in the past 4 years. Nothing’s guaranteed but we don’t have a good enough team to reach at a position that’s really risky. 

I don't think we should ever reach. If the Panthers are not high on a LT at 16th, then they can trade down or select a different position. Ideally I'd like a LT in round 1, and a center in r2, but who knows if the value will be there or not? We have no idea who might fall or perform better than expected leading up to the draft.

[Pimpdaddy]

Moton is cerebral... need to get high IQ dudes...that can figure it out on their own.

[pantherj]

31 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If we ignore DL we are going to be horrific on D. That’s why I want to go DL (not sure S or CB will be BPA) in the 1st and C/G in the 2nd and T depth later along with DL. All this hinges on a healthy Williams signing so we can use as many  of our first 5 picks (including Norwell comp) on DL along with a stud C/G. DL is so deep that we need to bolster it this draft and I hope we use FA to get our 2nd T and CB/S help. We can use the last two or three picks for more C/Gs or potential Ts.

People have been saying DL is deep, but I think they mean DL is deep for teams that run a 3-4 and can use smaller DEs that we can't. Ultimately I want the BPA at a position of need taken in each round. I'd prioritize o-line because if Cam re-injures his shoulder it won't matter who is on our d-line. Season is over. If we don't have a have a good pass rush, but Cam has time with weapons all around him, then we're going to be ok. In the end BPA. 

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, pantherj said:

People have been saying DL is deep, but I think they mean DL is deep for teams that run a 3-4 and can use smaller DEs that we can't. Ultimately I want the BPA at a position of need taken in each round. I'd prioritize o-line because if Cam re-injures his shoulder it won't matter who is on our d-line. Season is over. If we don't have a have a good pass rush, but Cam has time with weapons all around him, then we're going to be ok. In the end BPA. 

  I don’t see a OT worth a top 25 pick so that would leave that position out in round 1. But there are many DTs, DEs, Thompson(FS) or CBs that are worth that and higher. 

  It’s not that one position is more important an issue than the other. But this years OL class doesn’t warrant a pick that high. So you fix the area of need with the actual BPA. Not reaching on a LT. 

[pantherj]

18 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I don’t see a OT worth a top 25 pick so that would leave that position out in round 1. But there are many DTs, DEs, Thompson(FS) or CBs that are worth that and higher. 

  It’s not that one position is more important an issue than the other. But this years OL class doesn’t warrant a pick that high. So you fix the area of need with the actual BPA. Not reaching on a LT. 

Yes no reaching. The Panthers may see a LT they like at 16, or maybe not.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Yes no reaching. The Panthers may see a LT they like at 16, or maybe not.

  I hope not. Teams trying to “make” quality LTs out of subpar talent is a major reason so many busts come at LT. I’m sure by the time the draft rolls around, there will be a couple that suddenly rise up boards because the need is there for a lot of teams including us. 

   I have confidence in Moton. But I don’t have confidence that we will be able to sign Williams. He’s going to be the top available OT. Even coming off his injury. A more “cap-rich” team can afford to take a chance on him much easier than us. Even in this scenario, I go with Moton at LT and use the 10M or so to either sign more OL help or address DL with it, and start trying to get a RT at 47. 

  Until we know what Williams is doing, and where else we spend, it’s difficult to even speculate. But it’s no fun not to. 

[JARROD]

Just draft a left tackle like Jawann Taylor and then keep Moron at Right tackle—

i meant Moton... truly.

[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Just draft a left tackle like Jawann Taylor and then keep Moron at Right tackle—

i meant Moton... truly.

  You mean the guy who only played RT in college? 

[JARROD]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  You mean the guy who only played RT in college? 

Yep,...

You mean the dude who’s playing the dude, who thinks he’s another dude,..

hell which ever side he fits the best. Some scouting reports have him playing left tackle in the NFL and some say guard or RT.

the point was, whether he or Little or if Williams drops to us(because he may go 3rd round Like a lot of early favorites do or top 10 like many think.)

either way, take the best tackle there and put Moton on one side and the new guy on the other.

ha

 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Yep,...

You mean the dude who’s playing the dude, who thinks he’s another dude,..

hell which ever side he fits the best. Some scouting reports have him playing left tackle in the NFL and some say guard or RT.

the point was, whether he or Little or if Williams drops to us(because he may go 3rd round Like a lot of early favorites do or top 10 like many think.)

either way, take the best tackle there and put Moton on one side and the new guy on the other.

ha

 

  So just pick anyone with an OT next to their name. Regardless of skill or experience or anything relevant. Sounds like a solid plan to avoid reaching for a player. My bad. 

[JARROD]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  So just pick anyone with an OT next to their name. Regardless of skill or experience or anything relevant. Sounds like a solid plan to avoid reaching for a player. My bad. 

Watcha talking about Willis,..

some scouting reports have the guy as a Left Tackle and the most talented in the draft.

others say he sucks— like you. I didn’t say anything about overreaching—

but you don’t know any more than anyone else.

every year sure fire guys bust or fall a couple of rounds and some rise or turn out better than the haters think.

my point was the best tackle there.

if they all suck draft something else.

dont be so square

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

Watcha talking about Willis,..

some scouting reports have the guy as a Left Tackle and the most talented in the draft.

others say he sucks— like you. I didn’t say anything about overreaching—

but you don’t know any more than anyone else.

every year sure fire guys bust or fall a couple of rounds and some rise or turn out better than the haters think.

my point was the best tackle there.

if they all suck draft something else.

dont be so square

 I deserved this for trying to be logical to begin with. I should have known better. What’s square mean these days? Able to use logic and reason in a discussion? 

[JARROD]

24 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 I deserved this for trying to be logical to begin with. I should have known better. What’s square mean these days? Able to use logic and reason in a discussion? 

just means can’t paint outside the lines.

also, logic is what people tell themselves they are doing when they are trying to rationalize their emotions

you want a certain player or certain type so me saying I want a Tackle will welcome any manner of “logic” from you against it.

me wanting a tackle there will warrant any “logic” from me defending it.

all logic comes from emotions. 

If you feel a defensive end is what you want,.. go for it. Say what you want.

some will say they just want the best player available— but bash any player mentioned... because they want a certain player but are scared to say.

so what is it that you want? I won’t bash. I’m ok with OT, DE, OLB, Safety, Receiver, CB,..

whatever in those is the best so be it. 

I’m not ok drafting a QB, not ok drafting a RB, FB but could live with a TE or Center/Guard— again, if they are truly going to make a meaningful impact.

 

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, JARROD said:

just means can’t paint outside the lines.

also, logic is what people tell themselves they are doing when they are trying to rationalize their emotions

you want a certain player or certain type so me saying I want a Tackle will welcome any manner of “logic” from you against it.

me wanting a tackle there will warrant any “logic” from me defending it.

all logic comes from emotions. 

If you feel a defensive end is what you want,.. go for it. Say what you want.

some will say they just want the best player available— but bash any player mentioned... because they want a certain player but are scared to say.

so what is it that you want? I won’t bash. I’m ok with OT, DE, OLB, Safety, Receiver, CB,..

whatever in those is the best so be it. 

I’m not ok drafting a QB, not ok drafting a RB, FB but could live with a TE or Center/Guard— again, if they are truly going to make a meaningful impact.

 

   As I clearly stated(on this very page) we have no idea what we “need”, specifically, until DW is decided and FA is over. So I’m not in favor of any certain player. And I’m sure not saying “draft a position no matter what”. That’s all you. 

 You made a general statement like that, and are still defending that stance. And doing it by telling me I’m wanting a certain player or position. If we somehow resign Williams, are we still taking the best OT available? 

  And it’s obvious you have no “logic” in anything you say. By any crazy definition you want to make up for it.