2016 - Our Biggest Mistake

[ras977]

19 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There was no answer.  You save the $16m, I get it, but answer to the loss.  A second and third round tandem? Rookies?  Ugh.

Bradberry has developed, but the attitude you mentioned made it hard for a CB from Samford to step into those shoes.

Let alone the drafting of the immortal Zeke Sanchez.

[davos]

21 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There was no answer.  You save the $16m, I get it, but answer to the loss.  A second and third round tandem? Rookies?  Ugh.

Bradberry has developed, but the attitude you mentioned made it hard for a CB from Samford to step into those shoes.

Furthermore, DG admittedly abandoned his philosophy in that draft after going full BPA mode in the first for Butler.  Worley and Sanchez could've been so many other guys but it seems he thought if he fixed the need at CB, we would be in SB form.  That draft somehow forgot our awful OL coming fresh off of Denver killing Remmers on live television and panicked for CBs. I don't even think Sanchez would've even been drafted if it wasn't for us.    

I remember that post-draft presser with him and Rivera and they didn't even seem sure about what they just did in the war room.  That draft was such sh*t.  

Jarran Reed, Derrick Henry, Michael Thomas, Hunter Henry, Xavien Howard were all there for us R1 and in the discussion.  It's painful to even think about the lost opportunities from that BS draft.  

[TN05]

41 minutes ago, davos said:

Furthermore, DG admittedly abandoned his philosophy in that draft after going full BPA mode in the first for Butler.  Worley and Sanchez could've been so many other guys but it seems he thought if he fixed the need at CB, we would be in SB form.  That draft somehow forgot our awful OL coming fresh off of Denver killing Remmers on live television and panicked for CBs. I don't even think Sanchez would've even been drafted if it wasn't for us.    

I remember that post-draft presser with him and Rivera and they didn't even seem sure about what they just did in the war room.  That draft was such sh*t.  

Jarran Reed, Derrick Henry, Michael Thomas, Hunter Henry, Xavien Howard were all there for us R1 and in the discussion.  It's painful to even think about the lost opportunities from that BS draft.  

2016 draft is the singular reason we missed the playoffs that year. It's one of the worst drafts we've ever had, and that's really saying something. 

[Pimpdaddy]

...early on...i was a Gman defender...but...as it turned out...he couldn't find his azzhole with a funnel....good luck ny football giants.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Rescinding the tag was the end of dg, dumb move follow by spamming cb picks and a depth dt in that draft...knew it when i happen that was the beginning of the end 

[Hotsauce]

11 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Rescinding the tag was the end of dg, dumb move follow by spamming cb picks and a depth dt in that draft...knew it when i happen that was the beginning of the end 

You would liked to have thought that that was JRs reason for getting rid of him, but it wasn’t. JR fires him for not wanting to resign some of the rusty old vets. JR did not fire him for making a poor football decision, he fired him for not having loyalty with aging vets....something that RR and Marty have. 

Tepper needed to make changes this year. He has no balls

[Moo Daeng]

15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Norman has not been the world beater in Washington---he wanted elite money and has only had 1 pro bowl season---his contract year.  CB was not our problem this year, but I would like to have Norman. 

 

Gettleman poo the bed in response to his own doing and screwed the draft all to hell. That one thing screwed the future of multiple positions.

I used to love Gettkeman but he really did kinda suck in retrospect.

[L-TownCat]

Payers play within a system.  If they dont, they are replaced.  If they do, and the team still sucks, its the coaching.

Best LB in football goes from world beater to just a little better than most.  That aint on him, its the scheme, fit, play calling and situational awareness by the staff.

Players still have to execute, but executing a bad scheme is still bad.

[MountaineerChemist10]

Instead of Butler, we could have had DE Emmanuel Ogbah, TE Hunter Henry, RB Derrick Henry, WR Michael Thomas...the list goes on & on.

 

2016 was nothing but Gettleman being cocky & overly confident.

[MHS831]

16 hours ago, ras977 said:

Let alone the drafting of the immortal Zeke Sanchez.

He was to be the nickel of the future---but Worley was the head scratcher--I never saw him much above the fifth round.  Gman tried at CB what Hurney does with OL--throw a bunch of players at a need, talk about competition, and hope one rises.

[jfra78]

18 hours ago, JARROD said:

To move forward you have to accept the past.

confucius I think

Confucius Say: Go to sleep with itchy ass, wake up with stinky fingers.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, L-TownCat said:

Payers play within a system.  If they dont, they are replaced.  If they do, and the team still sucks, its the coaching.

Best LB in football goes from world beater to just a little better than most.  That aint on him, its the scheme, fit, play calling and situational awareness by the staff.

Players still have to execute, but executing a bad scheme is still bad.

This is something a good GM knows and uses to find players in free agency---I wonder how many busts were simply not good fits?  In addition, it takes some players a few years before the light comes on.  I think Addison is a good example, but it took time for him to become a good player.

Hopefully, we can find some bad fits from other systems  and meet some needs on the cheap in free agency.

THAT IS WHY I WOULD NOT HAVE RE-SIGNED NORMAN.  Yes, he had the swag, but  paying a player elite money after a pro bowl season is paying for four more pro bowl seasons because that sets the rate--Norman has yet to play to that level since. .While it hurt to lose him, (as it did Norwell), you have to pay for future performance, not past performance.  Norman is still a starting CB, but no where near his salary.  Those kinds of contracts get you fired.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Confucius Say: Go to sleep with itchy ass, wake up with stinky fingers.

Your ancient wisdom is appreciated on this board, and will probably lead to a lot of sniffing an reflecting.

[Darvinsun]

19 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Everything about 2016 sucked ass. I will say, letting Norman walk hurt, but giving him 75 mil (50 guaranteed) to a 29 year old cb was not a good idea. I really wish we stuck with the tag. Drafting Butler was awful as well and then making up for Norman by wasting two other picks on CBS (2 aren’t even here anymore plus trading up for Worley) oh wee mayne. I like Gettleman, but that offseason was his doom. Sheesh

We did not have to pay him yr rental I think 14mil. It was would have been worth it to try and make another SB run with the swagger still here. Still could have drafted his replacement.