If I were Tepper....Rivera and Cam are a package deal.

[Eazy-E]

2 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Oh this means I'm an uneducated fan because I believe in competition. 3 winning seasons out of 8 dude.

With that reasoning, our coaching staff and GM need competition.

[TheMaulClaw]

1 minute ago, Eazy-E said:

With that reasoning, our coaching staff and GM need competition.

Absolutely agree.

[TheMaulClaw]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think linking Newton to Rivera is kind of a disservice to him.

Rivera has done a very poor job of managing Newton, especially when it comes to his health.

I don't doubt that...and it's unfair.  I just think that's sort of how it works out. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I don't doubt that...and it's unfair.  I just think that's sort of how it works out. 

I'd apply the same argument here that I did when we were discussing whether to move on from Rivera or Hurney.

When you're choosing to keep one of two guys who've worked together, you always want to keep the one you believe can have greater success without the other.

So the question becomes which of these scenarios is more believable:

- Newton can win without Rivera

- Rivera can win without Newton

[MillionDollarCam]

23 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Yeah why is that?  You think you're going to get a good coach who wants to come in and take over a 30 plus Newton with a long time documented shoulder injury?

Do you think you are going to get a good coach who wants to come in and take over a team with no QB? Because if Rivera and Cam are a package deal then that will be the situation the new coach finds himself in.

[billionairemonk]

all these posts/threads about not retaining Cam are insane

[TheMaulClaw]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd apply the same argument here that I did when we were discussing whether to move on from Rivera or Hurney.

When you're choosing to keep one of two guys who've worked together, you always want to keep the one you believe can have greater success without the other.

So the question becomes which of these scenarios is more believable:

- Newton can win without Rivera

- Rivera can win without Newton

Those are good valid points. I believe Rivera and Hurney are tied together too.  Hurney hired Rivera....and he was snuck in by JR.  They'll both go.  Hurney will not pick the next HC.

Obviously Newton is talented but he does require a scheme to be built around him.  More importantly is shoulder might be done.  This discussion about moving on from Cam isn't happening if he doesn't have a long term unidentifiable shoulder concern.  

He can't win anywhere as long as he's got that shoulder issue. If Cam was able to be at full health at the start of next season that's one thing or even 4 games in, but there's been no evidence of that.  Even Igo is bringing up Foles trades.

[TheRed]

14 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

all these posts/threads about not retaining Cam are insane

They think they smell blood and can't contain their excitement.

Very revealing tbh.

[billionairemonk]

Just now, TheRed said:

They think they smell blood and can't contain their excitement.

Very revealing tbh.

you may be right, but i'm not going to go that route.  i know why Igo is doing it, he wants the page views; this i can understand, but i choose not to contribute to his obvious bait threads.

[TheMaulClaw]

8 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Do you think you are going to get a good coach who wants to come in and take over a team with no QB? Because if Rivera and Cam are a package deal then that will be the situation the new coach finds himself in.

A lot of coaches would come in if they know they can draft "their" guy. I don't expect fair objectivity from you based upon your name.

We have Cam fans.

We have Panther fans ( who also support and love Cam because he's a Panther and he's dynamic.)

The difference?

Cam fans want to see him lead the team to greatness. Which is great. Also they're willing to see the team handicap itself in the future to maintain Cam's brand despite injury and obvious regression.  They may stop being Panther fans one day when the team moves into another direction. These fans also are highly emotionally attached to Cam I think because of some socio political undertone.

Panther fans want what's in the overall best interest of the team. Obviously we want Cam to be a hall of famer and well taken care because we appreciate the sacrifices he's made to the team....but we also are realistic about injury, and where Cam falls on his career timeline. We know it's a tough business....and the reality is....soon the Panther's will need to draft a QB high because it's MUCH cheaper and we must be able to bring in talent to remain a viable contender.  If Cam was healthy and he didn't appear to hit his peak this wouldn't be a mode of thinking.

[TheMaulClaw]

11 minutes ago, TheRed said:

They think they smell blood and can't contain their excitement.

Very revealing tbh.

I smell blood. You smell it too or you wouldn't have said it.  There is much to reveal.  Anytime you're favorite team is on the brink of major changes good or bad it's exciting. A lot of people talk.

I'm just happy there's an interesting narrative to talk about after an awful season.  Don't attach anything more then that.  

[Carl Spackler]

49 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

How are they not?

How is an MVP quarterback in any way a package deal with a coach he barely likes? Cam was drafted in Rivera's first season. Doesn't mean they're related in any way beyond that. Have some sense, dude. Cam is under contract through 2020 and Rivera is likely out after next year. Despite what you may want (but won't outwardly admit), Cam isn't going anywhere after next season.

[TheRed]

16 minutes ago, billionairemonk said:

you may be right, but i'm not going to go that route.  i know why Igo is doing it, he wants the page views; this i can understand, but i choose not to contribute to his obvious bait threads.

He'll see a jolt in page views now, but when the Newton era is finally over, the fans that wanted him gone will just jump ship if this team tumbles and stays down in the cellar for awhile which we all know is very likely considering our dire needs on both lines. By that time though the damage will be done to the huddle.

More fans than we realize have been waiting all these years for the chance to say adios to the Newton era. How many of these same people do you think gritted their teeth in agony at the sight of Cam celebrating or wearing a towel on his head? They only tolerated him and kept quiet while we were winning. There are some bigots in that bunch but largely I think it stems from a grudge of just never wanting to let go of those laughably wrong preconceived notions about Newton as a man and a player that were so heavily circulated here before the draft. Just petty spite.

[billionairemonk]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

 I think it stems from a grudge of just never wanting to let go of those laughably wrong preconceived notions about Newton as a man and a player that were so heavily circulated here before the draft. Just petty spite.

i agree with this.  it's the same with the national media who branded him a bust, before he played his first game, for the reasons you mentioned. cognitive dissonance is an epidemic.