Last Year’s Draft

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Far from "outraged". "Disappointed" would be more accurate.

Now if I were using terms like "Gettledouche", "Gettlegod" or "your boyfriend" then I could see how someone might see me as a tad emotional (and perhaps slightly unhinged) 

Yep, call people silly (your favorite term), moronic, and imply that they're the ones being emotional and needy of medication, and then try to feign some moral superiority and great maturity when they get back at you. LOL

Like I said earlier, if you know that the team is going to suck next year, and all you can do is rain upon the enthusiasm (however muted) and optimism of others with woe-are-the-panthers-because-of-Hurney-and-Rivera posts, while simultaneously insulting others in response, then you need to seriously---seriously---step away for a while. After the ultimate and utter failure of the franchise next season, then return and jump into the amen corner and gloat in the fact that the Panthers sucking has come to pass.

[Waldo]

12 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

The contract was setup to the point where the option bonus had to be triggered. Otherwise the 10m would have converted to salary for this past season plus his salary for 2018 would've been fully guaranteed. Had to be done by 3/9, so no choice really. 

 

it was and still is a horrible contract, does have a potential out after year 3 though. 

My understanding is that we had a chance to dump M Kalil after the 1st year and 3rd year with less pain with how his contract was written. We could have jettisoned him last offseason as June 1st cut and been cheaper than doing it this year after the deal Hurney took the option after seeing him play in 2017. My understanding is that the option was on 3/19, after the new league year (3/14/18), giving us time to make the move to June 1st him without taking the option.(https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/matt-kalil-9814/) JR, Hurney and Rivera took that option after seeing him play in 2017. 

A one year contract is a swing and a miss, watching what he did in 2017 and hoping 2018 was going to be better was a brain dead move. This team could already be halfway over his dead cap already as of 3/14/19, we are not.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yep, call people silly (your favorite term), moronic, and imply that they're the ones being emotional and needy of medication, and then try to feign some moral superiority and great maturity when they get back at you. LOL

Like I said earlier, if you know that the team is going to suck next year, and all you can do is rain upon the enthusiasm (however muted) and optimism of others with woe-are-the-panthers-because-of-Hurney-and-Rivera posts, while simultaneously insulting others in response, then you need to seriously---seriously---step away for a while. After the ultimate and utter failure of the franchise next season, then return and jump into the amen corner and gloat in the fact that the Panthers sucking has come to pass.

Yeah... Not inclined to take advice from a middle aged guy who resorts to saying things like "Gettlegod" and "cry baby cry".

Sinking that low with the stuff you post takes you out of the realm of being able to offer suggestions to anybody else about how they should behave. Actinglike you're speaking for a bunch of other wounded souls when it's really just you that can't deal disagreement doesn't really prop you up much either.

At this point, you're just repeating the same crap. I'm bored with it. Find some new material.

 

[carpanfan96]

Just now, Waldo said:

My understanding is that we had a chance to dump M Kalil after the 1st year and 3rd year with less pain with how his contract was written. We could have jettisoned him last offseason as June 1st cut and been cheaper than doing it this year after the deal Hurney took the option after seeing him play in 2017. My understanding is that the option was on 3/19, after the new league year (3/14/18), giving us time to make the move to June 1st him without taking the option.(https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/matt-kalil-9814/) JR, Hurney and Rivera took that option after seeing him play in 2017. 

A one year contract is a swing and a miss, watching what he did in 2017 and hoping 2018 was going to be better was a brain dead move. This team could already be halfway over his dead cap already as of 3/14/19, we are not.

No his option contract would have escalated if cut prior to 2018 and would have become salary and guaranteed. Meaning the team would've been on the hook for his signing bonus, the option bonus and guaranteed portions of his salary in 2018. Cap hit would've ballooned to 17m in 2018 and would've had a dead cap hit of over 25m. 

[Waldo]

32 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No his option contract would have escalated if cut prior to 2018 and would have become salary and guaranteed. Meaning the team would've been on the hook for his signing bonus, the option bonus and guaranteed portions of his salary in 2018. Cap hit would've ballooned to 17m in 2018 and would've had a dead cap hit of over 25m. 

Nope. Post 6/1/18 designated release at the beginning of 2018 year.

2018 Dead Cap: $6,150,000

2019 Dead Cap: $14,700,000

2018 Cap Savings: $750,000

They kept him and now we are looking at these numbers as a post 6/1/19 cut:

2019 Dead Cap: $4,900,000

2020 Dead Cap: $9,800,000

2019 Cap Savings: $7,250,000

Dead cap of $14.7 million now versus $20.85 million if done in 2018. It's awful but our owner was awful and the GM and coach had a relationship that resembled a sinking ship on fire. Plus his big bro had a hand in it by actually lobbying for the dead wight that is his brother.  

[carpanfan96]

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Nope. Post 6/1/18 designated release at the beginning of 2018 year.

2018 Dead Cap: $6,150,000

2019 Dead Cap: $14,700,000

2018 Cap Savings: $750,000

They kept him and now we are looking at these numbers as a post 6/1/19 cut:

2019 Dead Cap: $4,900,000

2020 Dead Cap: $9,800,000

2019 Cap Savings: $7,250,000

Dead cap of $14.7 million now versus $20.85 million if done in 2018. It's awful but our owner was awful and the GM and coach had a relationship that resembled a sinking ship on fire. Plus his big bro had a hand in it by actually lobbying for the dead wight that is his brother.  

Trust me the option bonus was going to escalate no matter what. read his language again. 

2018 option bonus, must be exercised by 3/19/2018, if not exercised 10m option bonus converts to salary for 2018 and also guarantees 11m 2018 salary upon not exercising. The 11m is his 1m base salary plus the 10m option bonus. Therefore not exercising the option would have increased his cap hit for 2018 from 6.9m to 16.9m. 

 

basically cutting him would have been considered not exercising his option bonus and therefore upon cutting him his 10m option bonus would have converted to fully guaranteed salary for 2018. 

[Waldo]

IF he was on the team. As a June 1st designation it's a moot point. Those numbers directly from the link I attached, not my calculations. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Trust me the option bonus was going to escalate no matter what. read his language again. 

2018 option bonus, must be exercised by 3/19/2018, if not exercised 10m option bonus converts to salary for 2018 and also guarantees 11m 2018 salary upon not exercising. The 11m is his 1m base salary plus the 10m option bonus. Therefore not exercising the option would have increased his cap hit for 2018 from 6.9m to 16.9m. 

IF he was on the team. As a June 1st designation it's a moot point. Those numbers directly from the link I attached, not my calculations. 

[carpanfan96]

Just now, Waldo said:

IF he was on the team. As a June 1st designation it's a moot point. Those numbers directly from the link I attached, not my calculations. 

no not if he was on the team, option bonus was protection for him. I added to my previous post but cutting him would have been the same as not exercising his option. 

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

no not if he was on the team, option bonus was protection for him. I added to my previous post but cutting him would have been the same as not exercising his option. 

If he was cut as of 3/14/2018 as a designated June 1st cut, he would not have been employed as of 3/19/2018, the option date. There is no options for unemployed people without contracts. Just dead money. 

[top dawg]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah... Not inclined to take advice from a middle aged guy who resorts to saying things like "Gettlegod" and "cry baby cry".

Sinking that low with the stuff you post takes you out of the realm of being able to offer suggestions to anybody else about how they should behave. Actinglike you're speaking for a bunch of other wounded souls when it's really just you that can't deal disagreement doesn't really prop you up much either.

At this point, you're just repeating the same crap. I'm bored with it. Find some new material.

 

I'll take my credibility on this board in reference to addressing the topic and addressing people's thoughts and opinions in a rational, impersonal manner over yours any day. Unlike you, I realize that there is more than one rational way to look at the different aspects of things that are football related, and that disagreements are inherent as a fan. I don't imply or expressly call people silly---resort to name calling---or anything of the such like you do. Everyone that has been paying attention to me over the years on this board will tell you that the ONLY time I get personal or disrespectful---however passive aggressive---is in response to a personal attack upon me. Those with credibility WON'T say the same about you.

 

[carpanfan96]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If he was cut as of 3/14/2018 as a designated June 1st cut, he would not have been employed as of 3/19/2018, the option date. There is no options for unemployed people without contracts. Just dead money. 

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The option bonus (7th column) which reads $2.5M from 2018-2021 is a $10M bonus which does not have to be spread out over those four years. If the Panthers decide not to spread the bonus (which becomes much more likely if Kalil does not deliver this season), his cap hit would actually be much higher in 2018 ($14.25M), but much more palatable down the road (the aforementioned $2.4M in 2019 & $4.8M in 2020). Confused yet?

Here is the bottom line – Kalil will be on the roster until at least 2019, but his play in the upcoming season will dictate just how high his cap hit will be in 2018.

 

 

His 10m option bonus was part of the guaranteed money in his contract and was designated to be paid no matter what. I know it was reported cutting him would have avoided it but that's incorrect. It would have escalated to his 2018 salary no matter what. The only thing Hurney did was decided to exercise that option bonus allowing the team to get money back if he retired. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'll take my credibility on this board in reference to addressing the topic and addressing people's thoughts and opinions in a rational, impersonal manner over yours any day. Unlike you, I realize that there is more than one rational way to look at the different aspects of things that are football related, and that disagreements are inherent as a fan. I don't imply or expressly call people silly---resort to name calling---or anything of the such like you do. Everyone that has been paying attention to me over the years on this board will tell you that the ONLY time I get personal or disrespectful---however passive aggressive---is in response to a personal attack upon me. Those with credibility WON'T say the same about you.

 

Nothing says "rational and impersonal like resorting to "cry baby cry" and "Gettledouche".

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

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The option bonus (7th column) which reads $2.5M from 2018-2021 is a $10M bonus which does not have to be spread out over those four years. If the Panthers decide not to spread the bonus (which becomes much more likely if Kalil does not deliver this season), his cap hit would actually be much higher in 2018 ($14.25M), but much more palatable down the road (the aforementioned $2.4M in 2019 & $4.8M in 2020). Confused yet?

Here is the bottom line – Kalil will be on the roster until at least 2019, but his play in the upcoming season will dictate just how high his cap hit will be in 2018.

 

 

His 10m option bonus was part of the guaranteed money in his contract and was designated to be paid no matter what. I know it was reported cutting him would have avoided it but that's incorrect. It would have escalated to his 2018 salary no matter what. The only thing Hurney did was decided to exercise that option bonus allowing the team to get money back if he retired. 

Kalil, again? Say it ain't so. LOL