Last Year’s Draft

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

i guess we are screwed then man!!!

Well, the owner who hired (and rehired) Hurney definitely was. And particularly when it came to hiring.

Most GMs start out as scouts and work their way through the personnel department. Not Hurney. Richardson had an unfortunate habit of promoting people to jobs they weren't qualified for because they were loyal.

And thus, three winning seasons out of twelve...

[Toomers]

Ok. What date does Hurney start getting credit/blame for anything he does. That way we can all be on the same page. 

  When does our current GM, who has 4 seasons prior to this one, that were awful. That was after 6 years on that job already. So we intend on keeping a GM no other team would even contact, for continuity. 

SSDD

[Toomers]

25 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

you brought dg up in another thread in which i said both gm's sucked, you proceeded to prove my point by trying to turn it into a dg vs hurney debate instead of providing anything to point to why dg didn't fail. I rarely mention dg unless the thread is specifically about him or a move he made or a player he chose. there's no excuses for hurney, but some of us would like to not live in the past and constantly bring up his failures in his first stint that have zero impact on his decisions the 2nd go around. lol what on his resume qualifies him, being a previous gm is warrant enough, with this attitude or mindset guys like pete carroll would have never been hired again due to failures in there first stint as a HC. no one is proclaiming hunrey as gm jesus or anything but taking any slight praise given to him as an excuse to bring up failures from almost a decade ago is tedious, lazy, and irrelevant 

No. Just like you did before, you brought up BOTH GMs as similar. Every conceivable fact says they are not. Sorry if that hurts your agenda. 

   And we can discuss his financial misgivings as 2.0.. If you are happy with the least qualified GM in the NFL, make more excuses. He will be here for our losing season next year. And the one after. But hey...he drafted this guy that time. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

12 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. Just like you did before, you brought up BOTH GMs as similar. Every conceivable fact says they are not. Sorry if that hurts your agenda. 

   And we can discuss his financial misgivings as 2.0.. If you are happy with the least qualified GM in the NFL, make more excuses. He will be here for our losing season next year. And the one after. But hey...he drafted this guy that time. 

Never said they were similar, said they both sucked,like it’s stated in what you quoted me. Rivera is the common denominator, his failures within are the reason for a lot of big problems the gm isn’t responsible for. What excuses? I can’t debate anyone who’s going to fault cam getting hurt as a direct correlation as a failure on hurneys part. Do you even research ? Technically mike mayock is the least qualified gm, this is the blind hurney hate I’m referring to thanks for proving my point yet again 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Never said they were similar, said they both sucked,like it’s stated in what you quoted me. Rivera is the common denominator, his failures within are the reason for a lot of big problems the gm isn’t responsible for. What excuses? I can’t debate anyone who’s going to fault cam getting hurt as a direct correlation as a failure on hurneys part. Do you even research ? Technically mike mayock is the least qualified gm, this is the blind hurney hate I’m referring to thanks for proving my point yet again 

 And Rivera had plenty of success with one. The other, not so much. Maybe it’s not Rivera. No matter how hard you want it to be. Why did one have an 80% success rate, and the other 0. 

  Yeah. I research. That’s why I provides facts and you just deflect around flawed opinions. 

  

[Cpt slay a ho]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 And Rivera had plenty of success with one. The other, not so much. Maybe it’s not Rivera. No matter how hard you want it to be. Why did one have an 80% success rate, and the other 0. 

  Yeah. I research. That’s why I provides facts and you just deflect around flawed opinions. 

  

What facts ?! You just said hurney is the least qualified gm in the nfl?? That is not fact that is your flawed opinion, given that mike mayock who has zero FO experience just got a job. Please explain how what you said was fact ? 

Well that’s easy hurney was gm for 2 seasons compared to dg who was gm for 5 with Rivera as coach. Larger sample size. Why haven’t we had back to back winning seasons under Rivera ? Why is clock management still an issue in year 7 under Ron ? Why are less talented players getting more playing time that far more talented ones? 

[top dawg]

The fact is that Gettleman signed Matt Kalil---Matt Kalil to a contract that made him nearly (11) a top 10 OT in the league causing many NFL insiders to raise an eye if not laugh incredulously. That's terrible value, and a colossal waste of draft capital.

The fact is that he stupidly released our best CB from the franchise tag, and then went batshìt crazy over-drafting corners to fix his stupidity.

The fact is that for all his ballyhooing about what a great scout that he is, that there may not be one player, save for maybe Bradberry, who has played up to their draft position, much less outplayed it. Go through the list of his draft picks and see what a colossal waste of draft capital that is.

The fact is that Gettleman's malfeasance with Kalil's contract, and malfeasance with draft capital (at a time when the window was wide open for another championship mind you) has effectively hogtied the Panthers to this day.

It's a wonder the team won anything with the way that he was drafting, but of course Hurney's picks were all over those teams.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The fact is that Gettleman signed Matt Kalil---Matt Kalil to a contract that made him nearly (11) a top 10 OT in the league causing many NFL insiders to raise an eye if not laugh incredulously. That's terrible value, and a colossal waste of draft capital.

The fact is that he stupidly released our best CB from the franchise tag, and then went batshìt crazy over-drafting corners to fix his stupidity.

The fact is that for all his ballyhooing about what a great scout that he is, that there may not be one player, save for maybe Bradberry, who has played up to their draft position, much less outplayed it. Go through the list of his draft picks and see what a colossal waste of draft capital that is.

The fact is that Gettleman's malfeasance with Kalil's contract, and malfeasance with draft capital (at a time when the window was wide open for another championship mind you) has effectively hogtied the Panthers to this day.

It's a wonder the team won anything with the way that he was drafting, but of course Hurney's picks were all over those teams.

And yet all of that still applied last year when a team that Gettleman put together went 11-5.

And somehow one offseason under Hurney dropped us to 7-9. Actually, a lot of seasons under Hurney got us to 7-9.

It's like there's a pattern... as if all the pro-Hurney spin and the blaming of Gettleman is all moronic bullsh-t

[Waldo]

Matt Kalil signing reaked of JR and Rivera with a hint of his brother. His contract was a two year contract we could be out of this offseasons but Hurney gave him another year last off season with more guaranteed money? None of that passes the smell test.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And yet all of that still applied last year when a team that Gettleman put together went 11-5.

And somehow one offseason under Hurney dropped us to 7-9. Actually, a lot of seasons under Hurney got us to 7-9.

It's like there's a pattern... as if all the pro-Hurney spin and the blaming of Gettleman is all moronic bullsh-t

Gettleman's teams were always incomplete. At least they weren't near nonexistent like his drafts.

Pro-Hurney? LOL

Just stating why Tepper apparently decided to keep him, and you crybabies can't take it.

Call it "pro-Tepper" (for now). Like I said before, I think that he'll get it done with or without Hurney, Rivera, Turner, or Cam. 

[top dawg]

And, I might add, that is pretty moronic to pollute every thread with anti-Hurney bullshit when the owner has apparently decided to keep him for another season.

It's highly moronic to try and convince others to get down in the dumps about the team just because you are, but they say that misery does love company. So cry baby, cry!

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Gettleman's teams were always incomplete. At least they weren't near nonexistent like his drafts.

Pro-Hurney? LOL

Just stating why Tepper apparently decided to keep him, and you crybabies can't take it.

Call it "pro-Tepper" (for now). Like I said before, I think that he'll get it done with or without Hurney, Rivera, Turner, or Cam. 

Keep trying, dude.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

And, I might add, that is pretty moronic to pollute every thread with anti-Hurney bullshit when the owner has apparently decided to keep him for another season.

It's highly moronic to try and convince others to get down in the dumps about the team just because you are, but they say that misery does love company. So cry baby, cry!

Oooorrr...maybe try a comeback that doesn't sound like it came from a 12 year old?

(just a suggestion)

This topic always seems to make you really emotional, and you wind up acting childish. You claim it doesn't bother you, yet you post stuff like "cry baby, cry".

Yeesh

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Yeah, I laugh at Marty getting a pass from some as if all the bad contracts were JR and Gettleman is roasted for Kalil. If Hurney really was a lap dog then why do we want that as our GM? Gettleman made a bunch of bad picks but hit on some key ones like 2017 (which was  better than 2018). He was known as a guy who got us out of cap hell and cutting people that made people mad. He was also known for his cheap FA deals. We think he got fired for not wanting to extend Olsen and TD, but even with all that we think it was his idea to give more money than he had ever thought of paying out to a bad tackle who happened to be Ryan Kalil’s brother? That screams JR especially considering Gettleman was fired a few months later after the draft.

Personally, I just want a solid GM who doesn’t take Benjamin/Funchess lazy type players and doesn’t take Gaulden/Haynes project type players over better college players who have the desire to be great.

But that's not what's happening. Everybody hated some of Hurney's contracts. When first hearing about Jake's last contract, I literally said "What the fug?" And Hurney's kicking the can down the road wasn't good at all. 

Hurney was too loyal and loose with the purse strings with some declining players, and invested too much at the RB position. He couldn't get a decent FA worth poo. We all know Hurney's failures.

This thread was supposed to be about his last draft. It kind of morphed into Hurney vs. Hurney 2.0, the latter being what some of us are hoping can improve upon the old.

Pretty simple.