Would you be willing to sit Cam an entire season and see how he does after?

[TheMaulClaw]

6 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

we have the pieces to win what without cam? 3 games? if we're lucky? lol

You are over valuing Cam at this point.  Cam's shoulder and inability to throw the ball was the reason we went on that skid. What was his completion percentage of 20 plus yards?  It's funny...we start 6-2 and cam was just playing ok, not transcendent football....but alright.  Pretty high completion percentage with short throws, it wasn't bad, still no deep ball.  

Many quarterbacks could do well with Samuel, Moore, Wright, and CMC.  Most QBs would have been an upgrade during that 7 game losing streak that would have saved our season.  Especially when you take a peak at the Lions, Browns, and Seahawks games.  All of those games were directly related to Cam's inability to throw. Those games were in his hands and he failed in the clutch in all of them. 

We lost 7 freaking games in a row...and watched Cam miss throw after throw...or throw costly and timely picks over and over.  He's one of main reasons we went on that slide. Hurt or not....he was.

[TheMaulClaw]

15 minutes ago, raz said:

pain.  if you are lucky enough to never have had physical pain rule your life you just can't understand the situation.  i hope it never happens to anyone.    you can't think correctly, you can't process information correctly, you can hardly stand being awake.  shoulders are easy to damage and painful to heal.   scar tissue is a mf

True....if he's is in so much pain where's there's no surgery option and he can't play...then he needs to retire. A QB with a bad shoulder is like a Chef with no knife....it just doesn't really work.

I know he's Cam Newton....but time isn't going to rewind itself for him either.

[SpeedOFLight]

I believe that’s what he need is rest and a little pt. I really believe it’s scar tissue. He needs to us this off season to work on the mobility of that shoulder. Watching Luck play yesterday made me think that Cam can get back to normal with some rest and Rehab

[JARROD]

If he would be back to 100% sure. I miss watching him air out. 

[CBDellinger]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If that's what it takes, absolutely.

Now the downside of that is that there are only two years left on his contract so you're sacrificing half the time he has left.

Yeah, but two tags after that.  Panthers have the leverage if they need to wait.

[bigdog10]

Yes. 

Id put all of our resources and focus this next year on rebuilding both lines. 

It likely means a 4-12 season, but ideally we would rebuild both lines, go into 2020 with a top five pick and a healthy Cam. 

The problem with this is that we retained Rivera and Hurney who will be in win now mode which is a devastating place for a franchise to be in with a coach and gm that needs to do everything possible to save their jobs. They will not draft and make decisions based on the future of the franchise but rather look for immediate fixes while mortgaging the future with bad contracts and draft reaches. In other words, it will be the same old show with hurney and Rivera. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, CBDellinger said:

Yeah, but two tags after that.  Panthers have the leverage if they need to wait.

Valid.

[raz]

2 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

True....if he's is in so much pain where's there's no surgery option and he can't play...then he needs to retire. A QB with a bad shoulder is like a Chef with no knife....it just doesn't really work.

I know he's Cam Newton....but time isn't going to rewind itself for him either.

andrew luck was in so much pain he wasn't sure how to live, much less play football.  look at him now.   (i know its hard because he dumped us, but do it for research purposes)

[CBDellinger]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Valid.

I really hope it doesn’t come down to that tho.  The tag is not a happy place for players.  

[CBDellinger]

10 minutes ago, raz said:

andrew luck was in so much pain he wasn't sure how to live, much less play football.  look at him now.   (i know its hard because he dumped us, but do it for research purposes)

I looked... he’s still the geico caveman’s doppelgänger.   

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CBDellinger said:

I really hope it doesn’t come down to that tho.  The tag is not a happy place for players.  

I'd agree. That said, I question whether Tepper is willing to do a blockbuster contract extension. So who knows?

[TheMaulClaw]

7 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

this is revisionist. he was regarded as an mvp candidate. his numbers didn't really start to decline until it was obvious he didn't have full range of motion. you can say this type of thing until you're blue in the face but your take doesn't match reality.

He wasn't really in the MVP discussion. He was playing fairly well for not having a deep ball. I believe that hype was started because he saw a brief improvement in accuracy numbers because of all short passes to CMC.

[Keeksneak59]

With Foles starting while Cam rests yes.

[CBDellinger]

22 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

through the first 11 games of the season his statistical output was in the ballpark of his mvp season. that's while playing with maybe the worst C-LG-LT situation in the league and a less than 100% shoulder for at least part of that stretch. if you would like to try to make an actual argument then i'm all ears but you're not going to get away with shifting credit to mccaffrey when his production at this level predates mccaffrey.

Cam was balling the fugg out up till the 2nd Tampa game.  7 straight games with a passer rating over 100... which is a franchise record and the longest streak by any QB in the nfl since 2007 I believe?

I dunno why so many of our fans wanna discredit him but it is what it is I guess.