Difference an oline makes it to a season Colts

[ImaginaryKev]

Trading down seems so boring most of the time but this might be the year to do it

[ImaginaryKev]

(On draft day if someone makes a good offer.)

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10 hours ago, RIVERABALL said:

Everyone seems to forget this team was averaging around 30 points a game before it became clearly evident Cam was not 100% ( Pittsburgh Game) That doesn't happen with a poor offensive line, as a matter of fact based on the patch work we had it was one of the strong points of this team. The real issue is with the leadership yes Ronnie. Just remember this we were 4 -2 aginst playoff teams and should have been 6-0. 

1. As has been indicted here stupid decisions with extra points, 4th downs and field goals and challenges
2. Picking and sticking with Eric Washington as D coordinator, it was evident through the first 8 games this D had no identity. After the blow out at Pitt he should have been replaced , but no we wait for more of the same before Ron steps in and makes a change which was a huge improvement as the games went on
3. Anyone with any sense would have known that the last 3 games were going to be the key to the season when the schedule came out ( as they ended up being). When it was clear Cam was not 100% and to Cams own admission that the only thing that seems to help was rest. Ron choose to let him sit during the week and kept playing him as his effectiveness and numbers declined. After Pittsburgh and with 4 winnable games ahead he could have sat him in preparation for the end of the season and the playoffs. he only needed to win 3 games at that point and gambled he could get it done with Cam. Even if we had won the 3 Cam would have been useless by the playoff game. 
4. His comments about its up to the medical staff on Cam, i am sure the answer was he can't do anymore damage if he plays, well that could be true but it was obvious from watching he was a shell of what he is capable of due to pain. Why do you think all of the players referenced his warrior attitude.
5. Picking the wrong #2 QB, after watching the 2 of them play it was very evident that Allen was the better of the 2 and to me it wasn't even close.
6. His after season press conference when saying we need to look at getting someone else carries instead of the load he forced on CMC, Well  he didn't have to look too far. Cutting CJ Anderson who ends up with over 300 yards total offense in his 2 games with the Rams. Also is resistance to use Artis Payne. How many times did we need short yardage and we have power back to get it. 
7. Cant recall the game right now but letting Funches continue to play and be targeted after dropping about 6 passes during the game. Then basically demoting him to #3 which was obviously effected his confidence and usefulness the rest of the season.
8. After Gano got hurt basically saying he wasn't aware. How can  coach not be aware that one of the most important parts of the team isn't hurt.
9. Firing of 2 low level coaches as part of his shake up but keeping 2 coaches at the position were the issues were Over all defense - Washington and DB's Rogers. 
10. I could go on and one - This all started with the Super Bowl and his inability to adjust and make changes either on the fly or at half time.
11. How many times have you ever heard him take the blame, its always we were a couple of plays away, or that the players arent getting what we are coaching
12. Basically folks every team has weaknesses with positions, its the coach who has ro plan and scheme to address them

Since i am posting have you ever heard him called out for anything by the press? he should be thankful they bow down to him and never put him on the hot seat to answer real questions

The o=line wasn't poor when were averaging 30 points but they weren't good either , CAM was  a lot more healthy so think what CAM  could do with a top 10 o-line.Your # 6 we don't force feed CMC who is one of the top backs any more than the Cowboys, Rams, Giants force feed their great players. CJ was not the answer and what you do in the last game when a lot of teams rest their starters is not that big of a deal. If you think we were crazy for letting him go what does that say about the Broncos , Raiders or Chiefs ? 

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9 hours ago, stbugs said:

Exactly. This isn’t a stud LT class and if it was then they’d go before 16. Look at last year. McGlinchey was RT. Miller (pick 15) was awful at LT. Chris Clark was ranked well ahead of him.

We are way better off with Moton at LT if we can resign Williams at RT. We need to bolster the OL, but it’s hopefully C and LG where we do that and having 47, 78, 100ish and 114ish should allow us to get two solid interior OL.

My goal would be to get the best G or C at pick 47 and get the best defensive player at 16. After those, probably as much D as you can get and If anything on offense make it OL.

We need to bolster the interior OL, but we also need D help just as bad. People want to look at the Colts, but what about the Bears and Dallas? Their ascension this year has to do with their defense. Dallas didn’t outscore NO. The Bears didn’t beat the Rams because Trubisky is amazing.

Football games are won with offense, defense and a mix. People seem to gravitate to the latest fad and assume that’s the only way to do it. As if Nick Foles is so amazing that he’s leading a trash team and might be better than Cam. Wentz was 11-2 in 2017. The 2017 Eagles were a good team with both. Foles is solid in that system but the Eagles are a talented team. 

Dallas already had a Great O-line, If the Eagles didn't have a o-line then the Bears would have won today and moved on instead heading to the house. You call it a fad but the reality is in todays NFL  you better protect the franchise QB and score points or you will be at home like the fad that was the Bears & Ravens great Defense and avg. Offense.But  I do agree with you we need to upgrade our Defense , I just think O-line is more important and there is some very good DE in free Agency. Now if their is not a OT at pick #16 worth it go with BPA for Defense.

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9 hours ago, stbugs said:

100% agree. If you passed over Fletcher Cox for Kolton Miller when Kolton Miller was a huge reach then you’d be pissed. I’d rather try and resign a proven NFL tackle and interior OL where 2nd/3rd rounders who do very well (not just average) abound. Even in the second you are likely dealing with a top 5-8 tackle or a top 2-3 G or top 2-3 C and tackle seems to be a lot riskier. 

What if you passed over a Joe Thomas or Taylor Lewan for a Dante Fowler

[Black&BlueBubba]

Here is a great article on the colts draft class

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/06/how-one-great-draft-class-can-turn-a-franchise-around/

[RumHam]

Ron would just sit a number 1 LT for amini

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36 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Joe Thomas was the #1 pick. If his talent level of an OT existed in this draft, they aren't making it to #16 and guess what, they don't exist in this draft. Lewan was the 3rd OT taken and he still got selected #11, which we don't have. Also, Donte Fowler was a bad pick, but I'd take him (or Leonard Williams instead) before the first OT take in Donte's draft. Ereck Flowers.

How about I turn your example around. In Lewan's draft, Greg Robinson T went before Khalil Mack. What if you passed over Khalil Mack for Greg Robinson or Jake Matthews (the 2nd tackle taken before Lewan). You know who was taken two picks after Lewan? Aaron Donald. We can play this game all day.

It still can be a hit-or-miss proposition for defensive players. 

If we just skip on an OT altogether in the first two rounds, how are we realistically going to protect our QB this year? What is your solution?

On an off note, Jonah Williams looks to be the most technically sound and pro-ready prospect lineman in this draft. Most have him at OT. He's about as a sure thing as there is this year.

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19 hours ago, stbugs said:

Joe Thomas was the #1 pick. If his talent level of an OT existed in this draft, they aren't making it to #16 and guess what, they don't exist in this draft. Lewan was the 3rd OT taken and he still got selected #11, which we don't have. Also, Donte Fowler was a bad pick, but I'd take him (or Leonard Williams instead) before the first OT take in Donte's draft. Ereck Flowers.

How about I turn your example around. In Lewan's draft, Greg Robinson T went before Khalil Mack. What if you passed over Khalil Mack for Greg Robinson or Jake Matthews (the 2nd tackle taken before Lewan). You know who was taken two picks after Lewan? Aaron Donald. We can play this game all day.

You said what if you picked a Kolton Miller over  Fletcher Cox  who was the 12th pick by the way , so yes we can play this game all day.Donte Fowler was traded away from Jacksonville for a 3rd rounder so not much difference between him and Flowers. Since you like Fowler , he will be a Free Agent so there you can get your DE and still go OT. Just so you know Green Bay's 2- OT graded out the highest in Pass Protection this year per Pro Football Focus. Sounds like to me you want CAM to stay beaten up because that is going to happen if we don't upgrade this line.If CAM was 25 I might agree with you on fixing the d-line first. Khalil Mack is great but you see what 2- very good OT for the Eagles did to him when it counted kept him off the QB for the Eagles to advance.

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9 hours ago, stbugs said:

Also, note that even if we draft an OT early, it doesn’t mean they are a LT or that they are startable year one. Last year, there were 3 tackles taken in the first. One never played getting hurt in preseason. One played LT and was rated worse than Chris Clark and didn’t protect anything and one played RT well and was the 9th pick.

We all know nothing is guaranteed, but tackle isn’t a position of strength this year so if we take one in the first, I think we are reaching on a someone with higher bust potential than BPA and if we take one in the 2nd it’s a crap shoot depending on the draft. If people reach for OTs then the tackle at 47 is also a reach, but if people avoid them like they avoided WRs last year we may have a good value. I just think we have a much higher probability of getting a true stud G/C at 47 or using another pick to jump up to the top of the 2nd and get the stud C or G.

Pick # 5 Chubb      Sacks 12                                                                                                                      

        # 6  Nelson OG ( Would take him over Chubb )

       # 12 Vea    Sacks 3                                                                                                    

      # 13 Payne Sacks 5

     # 14 Davenport Sacks 4.5

    # 29 Bryan   Sacks 1

   #  64 Lewis Sacks 2

  # 66 Carter Sacks 4

 # 69 Hill Sacks 5.5

# 77 Hubbard Sacks 6

# 114 Hand Sacks 3

# 140 Hurst Sacks 4

This is last years Draft beside a top 5- pick you got better production from DE or DT in round 2 thru 5.                  

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

You know last year was a bad draft for DL right? I even said that I wanted to wait. Since you think I am arguing that DL is more important, I’ll let you in on a secret that I wanted us to go C/G last year because it was such a good interior OL draft. We did nothing so now we are in worse shape having to replace Norwell and Ryan I’m back to back years.

Last year wasn't as bad as you claim ,Hubbard was a 3rd round with 6 sacks and Hurst was a Interior dt with 4 sacks picked in the 5th round.Don't be blind open your EYES.

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3 hours ago, stbugs said:

WTF does this have to do with me liking Fowler? Damn it really is hard to make a point when people can’t even read. I said Fowler was a bad pick even back then and somehow I like Fowler. Whoosh. I’m trying to make a point where you absurdly used Joe Thomas as if I’d take Fowler over Joe Thomas. News flash, there is no Joe Thomas or even Taylor Lewan in this class.

Also, as if I haven’t already said this a dozen times, I want to resign Williams so we have two good NFL ready tackles in Moton and Williams. They handled Dallas’ DL well. I want to go D in the first because it’s the better value because of the depth of talented DL and some good CBs/S and I think the OTs are more Kolton Miller than Joe Thomas. I’d rather have Williams and Moton and go solid C/G in round 2. Then all D or OL after that.

Dumb a$$ YOU said if we picked Cox over Miller you would be pissed well WTFU 2- different drafts.Well there is no JJ Wyatt or Aaron Donald in this draft either and were not going to get the best DE with the 16th pick.

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Just now, stbugs said:

Lol. You have no idea what your point is do you? Last year was a bad DL talent draft and this year is much better. You do realize that happens. There are good QB drafts and bad ones, happens for all positions.

So, using your logic, I believe you would say: So you’d rather have Hubbard than Joe Thomas?

Dude, just stop.

I know my point it's you that don't have a clue. Thomas would be the OT in the first in Hubbard would be the DE in the 3rd.

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Just now, stbugs said:

Listen little man, stop being an idiot. No need to have a conniption. Yes, I would be pissed passing over a great DT for a mediocre OT and that’s what will happen if we reach for 

Also, you are an absolute moron if you think this is a bad DL draft. This is exactly the draft where we could easily see an Aaron Donald and a JJ Watt. Many mocks have almost all of the top 10 as DL. Seriously, you need to actually do a little reading up if you think OT is anywhere close to as good as DL in this draft.

@ncfan This offseason posting might be the most draft illiterate I have ever seen.

Put the bottle down clown. Learn what wins in the NFL today. O-Line first protect the Franchise  QB