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Ha Ha, Flowers...

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No this isn't a laugh about flowers, it's about realistic free agent targets to help our defense. 

In my opinion, our number one target in free agency should be Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. We need a young, experienced safety either with or without Eric Reid, and Ha Ha should be affordable and provide good production for years to come. 

Trey Flowers isn't the top Edge as far as sacks go, but he gets good marks for his proficiency. He consistently gets pressure and would make a nice addition to Addison on the other side.

Short, Poe, Addison and Flowers should be enough for a decent O-line.

Jackson, Bradberry, Reid, and Clinton-Dix should provide enough playmakers for a good defensive backfield.

With the working material of Obada or Cox, Haynes, Gaulden and LB Carter, we may have the seeds for a pretty good defense if we can land these two younger vets.

If nothing else, it would allow us to feel better about going into the draft, and possibly open up some options. Both should be affordable and may provide some value given their bodies of work thus far because they can get better (in arguably better situations).

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I wouldn’t say Clinton- Dix is  young, he just turned 27 but he’s in his prime at 27. I would be happy if we signed him. Likewise Flowers. 

  Regardless of that we still need to get younger, especially the DE rotation. I wouldn’t object to drafting a safety either but Gaulden’s presence may preclude that chance.

 I was looking at RD 2-3 DEs that could be possibilities. I like Joe Jackson, I’m not keen on Anthony Nelson and I would be ok with Ximines from round 3. Gotta keep trying.

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22 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I wouldn’t say Clinton- Dix is  young, he just turned 27 but he’s in his prime at 27. I would be happy if we signed him. Likewise Flowers. 

  Regardless of that we still need to get younger, especially the DE rotation. I wouldn’t object to drafting a safety either but Gaulden’s presence may preclude that chance.

 I was looking at RD 2-3 DEs that could be possibilities. I like Joe Jackson, I’m not keen on Anthony Nelson and I would be ok with Ximines from round 3. Gotta keep trying.

27 is straight up cradle robbing compared to what we typically field at safety. 

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23 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I wouldn’t say Clinton- Dix is  young, he just turned 27 but he’s in his prime at 27. I would be happy if we signed him. Likewise Flowers. 

  Regardless of that we still need to get younger, especially the DE rotation. I wouldn’t object to drafting a safety either but Gaulden’s presence may preclude that chance.

 I was looking at RD 2-3 DEs that could be possibilities. I like Joe Jackson, I’m not keen on Anthony Nelson and I would be ok with Ximines from round 3. Gotta keep trying.

According to Google (and several sites), Ha Ha just turned 26 on December 21st. Flowers will be 26 in August. They are both arguably just entering their prime.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I very seriously doubt that we'll invest any significant resources into the safety positions with Rivera returning. Those positions just don't matter to Ron. 

I do think we'll sign a decent FA DE though.

Ron isn't running the show. You watch!

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19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

According to Google (and several sites), Ha Ha just turned 26 on December 21st. Flowers will be 26 in August. They are both arguably just entering their prime.

Yup, you’re right. Another question then. Who would be your ideal (realistic) starting duo at safety for the Panthers next season?

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Remind me of when in Hurney's history we've made significant investments in the safety positions.

It's a new day, with a new owner, with jobs on the line.

Eric Reid is a start. Minter wasn't the worst safety.

 

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1 hour ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Yup, you’re right. Another question then. Who would be your ideal (realistic) starting duo at safety for the Panthers next season?

Probably want to ask that question, at least in regards to being realistic, in a couple of months, but Reid at SS and Clinton-Dix at FS is within the realm of reality depending upon what transpires.

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8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It's a new day, with a new owner, with jobs on the line.

Eric Reid is a start. Minter wasn't the worst safety.

 

If Tepper wanted a significant departure from the norms of Hurney and Rivera then they would've been replaced. If his idea of change is to try to force known commodities into changing how they do their jobs then we're fuged.

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