Cam Newton’s future interesting read from David Newton

[falconidae]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Most of us that have paid attention have known this since his surgery.  He's been on a pitch count ever since.  And this past season he wasn't even practicing by the halfway point.  But Ron thought it would be ok with rest.  FUBAR.

If he doesn't come back, I'm sorry for all the Panthers fans, and NFL fans all around. I mean that, Cam is so much fun to watch when he's not playing my team.

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Bring in another Qb who isn’t complete poo to compete with Allen for 2019. See where Cam stands during that season. If his shoulder is shot we will know next year and can start planning accordingly. This years draft for qbs isn’t good. Bulk up the o line and pass rush as much as possible this draft and look for 2020 to draft a qb if necessary 

if you need a QB in 2020, you don't want to wait for 2020.

Preparations have to start being made now. Its textbook proactive vs reactive.

[Tbe]

6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Bring in another Qb who isn’t complete poo to compete with Allen for 2019. See where Cam stands during that season. If his shoulder is shot we will know next year and can start planning accordingly. This years draft for qbs isn’t good. Bulk up the o line and pass rush as much as possible this draft and look for 2020 to draft a qb if necessary 

Finding a decent qb with our cap space is going to be tough. We can’t pay Cam and another top QB. 

Either way, you are 100% right. We need to bulk up on DL and OL this season to prepare for whatever may happen.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, Growl said:

if you need a QB in 2020, you don't want to wait for 2020.

Preparations have to start being made now. Its textbook proactive vs reactive.

Yeah well you kinda need an OL too regardless. Unless you plan on watching CMC run out to play emergency QB again because yet another Panthers quarterback got blindsided in the pocket behind some turnstiles.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Finding a decent qb with our cap space is going to be tough. We can’t pay Cam and another top QB. 

Either way, you are 100% right. We need to bulk up on DL and OL this season to prepare for whatever may happen.

Don't need a top QB.  You need a QB able to come in and play a few games, and not look like you or me out there.

Once again, we need to have a smart front office, and we absolutely do not have one of those.

[Jon Snow]

14 minutes ago, falconidae said:

If he doesn't come back, I'm sorry for all the Panthers fans, and NFL fans all around. I mean that, Cam is so much fun to watch when he's not playing my team.

If he doesn't make it back it will be partly because his head coach didn't have the sense or the balls to see that he recovered properly before playing him again.  Newton's career here has been mared by mismanagement by this staff. 

 The coaches didn't or couldn't help him with his mechanics and Ron was either too afraid to or didn't have the juice under JR to force it to happen.  Then when Newton gets injured they allowed him to determine when he gets it repaired.  Then when it was obvious that something was wrong ( I noticed it last year around the last 4 or 5 games before the end of the season) old Ron decides that the best course of action is to limit his practices and hope for the best.

 Now here we are in the same situation two years in a row.  

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Don't need a top QB.  You need a QB able to come in and play a few games, and not look like you or me out there.

Once again, we need to have a smart front office, and we absolutely do not have one of those.

Again, to what end? 

We aren't talking about finding that kind of QB.

Were talking about the possibility of having to find the next Panthers QB.

[TheRed]

If you're looking to acquire the "next" franchise quarterback this season with our salary cap, you're living in a dream world. We still have a 100 million dollar QB on the books. Trade would be the only option, but return value wouldn't be anywhere near what the madden playing homers here are expecting.

[Seltzer]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

Nobody is "afraid" to find a good QB. The difficulty in it is the reality that you aren't going to get one unless you draft one early or trade for one on top of paying him a fat contract sooner rather than later. If you're hoping a mid to late round pick named Scrappy Gymrat McLunchpail is going to turn into Baker Mayfield for us, you're smoking some good poo.

The reality is if Newton leaves, we're gonna hang at the bottom of the division and the conference for that matter for awhile with the state of our offensive and defensive lines. No QB we can acquire is going to be able to shoulder the kind of load that Newton has over the years. I think that's one aspect that fans have taken for granted. When they see other QB's behind our offensive line exiting games early for injury, it should sink in just how durable Newton had been for us up until this point.

Exactly... could not have said it better

[Khyber53]

The thing is, neither you nor I really have any idea of exactly how hurt Cam's shoulder is, if it can be fixed, what chance does he have of a full recovery, the timetable and if Cam can really do all of the rehab. There are people who know some of these things, a few that know almost all of those things and no one who can answer all of those questions.

All of that stuff is very much within Cam's right to privacy and if he doesn't want the specifics discussed with the public, then that's the way it is. I do think he has been speaking frankly and openly with the coaching staff and management of the Panthers. The game plans throughout the season have pointed to them trying to tailor some kind of offense around his remaining capabilities. We as fans didn't really get to putting it together until late, late in the losing skid. We blamed a lot of it on receivers that couldn't stretch the field or bad work on the o-line or terrible play calling.

Really, it had everything to do with Cam giving it everything he had but the guy just wore down. And I think the Steelers saw the weakness and targeted it. After that one hit by Watt, our season was done for. We should have pulled Cam and sat him until he was healthy, IR if necessary. Everyone wants Cam out there, though, especially Cam. He's the ultimate "I can do it" player and I can only imagine that benching him is hard to do. And it was really hard to do while we still had a shot at the playoffs. All it would have taken was a couple of good games and a bit of healing to be contenders again. 

So here we are, entering the offseason and we, the fans, have no idea what they are going to do. We all want to have a winning team and we all (okay almost all) want to see Cam out there winning the games. But because of the nature of the league, medical privacy, healing and planning we might not know who will be under center next September for the Panthers. 

It's going to be a long, dragging ride until we get there.

[Growl]

To say we don't have a smart FO and then offer up the same stupid "rational guy" approach that has kept the Bills from being relevant since Jim Kelly left is laughable.

The whole "just get a guy who can come in and win some games" cliche is sweet smelling poison. Its what keeps teams stranded in the cellar indefinitely.

And its certainly not the "rational" approach. Its indecisiveness and a fear to confront what's on our plate, and its the worst possible decision the team can make.

[trueblade]

1 hour ago, Growl said:

yeah man don't I know tom Brady was a 6th round pick 

And pretty much the textbook definition of "outlier". You have to ask yourself 'what is most likely to happen'. Just look at the current post season teams. 7 of the 12 have QBs drafted in the round (KC, BAL(x2 Jackson and Flacco), IND, LAR, CHI, HOU, LAC). Really 8 if you count NO. Brees was basically a 1st rounder (1st pick of the 2nd round). Of the others, two of the teams have 3rd rounders (SEA, and PHI - counting Foles although PHI also has a 1st rounder in Wentz). Dallas has a 4th rounder and of course, you have New England with Brady.

If you want to give yourself the best chance at a playoff QB, you get a 1st rounder. But that said, I wouldn't touch this draft's crop of QBs.

[ellis]

Anyone feel that Cam might be dealing with some psychological burnout at this point? 

I’m a fan of his work, but I do wonder about this sometimes. It’s pure speculation, of course. 

[ForJimmy]

I’d rather wait on drafting one. We should have better answers after this year plus a much better qb class with the UGA qb, Alabama qb, Oregon qb and several others who might have a great year (South Carolina one looks great at times).  If Cam can’t come back we should have a terrible record with a chance to get one of these guys plus experience from our young players.