Panthers salary cap

[Toomers]

46 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It isn't up to him it is up to an arbitrator if we decided to recoup it. It is in the new CBA. And again the guranteed money at this point is less than 6 million so not the huge deal you make it reaching for something to criticize Hurney about. There is still some low hanging fruit but Olaen's contract isn't a big part of it. 

 

It’s 7.4M right now. He got an 11.1M signing bonus. 3.7M was accounted for in last years cap. We still have to account for the rest. Where are you getting 6M? And yes 6M is a big deal too. I don’t care who signed it. There’s not one person on here that was more critical of signing Kalil. I judge a move by its merit. Not who made it. DG has plenty of screwups too. I’m not part of the crowd has to be on one side of everything no matter logic or reason. 

 Kind of like your blind homerism leads to statements like 6M is no big deal. And pay for lifetime achievement. 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

That has to be one of the stupidest posts of the day. That is hardly a point. Richardson was clearly at fault in 2010. Doesn't mean Hurney was blameless simply that when your owner tells you to sign someone it limits your options including the ability to walk away. Did he do anything like that to Gettleman. Hell I thought Gettleman refusing to do what Richardson wanted got him fired. Hard to see how you can morph that into saying Gettleman was stuck doing Richardson's bidding against his will. Seems Gettleman  did what he wanted regardless of what others wanted 

No. It just goes against your backtrack so you consider it stupid. 

  As I posted earlier, We signed the BROTHER of one of those very players that “JR” made Hurney pay. Even though DG had never spent money on any player like that. Two months later. He’s fired. Was it all over Olsen’s extension? Or did DG get fed up? 

   See I don’t know. Neither do you. So I go by the facts that Hurney. And DG are responsible for their own actions and don’t blame anyone else except Rivera some. 

  Sorry if it ruins your agenda. 

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. It just goes against your backtrack so you consider it stupid. 

  As I posted earlier, We signed the BROTHER of one of those very players that “JR” made Hurney pay. Even though DG had never spent money on any player like that. Two months later. He’s fired. Was it all over Olsen’s extension? Or did DG get fed up? 

   See I don’t know. Neither do you. So I go by the facts that Hurney. And DG are responsible for their own actions and don’t blame anyone else except Rivera some. 

  Sorry if it ruins your agenda. 

Don't know it ruins anything. He got fired because he didn't do what JR wanted. If he was fed up he still had to commit a fireable offense in JR's opinion. And as owner his opinion rules. I don't have to know the details even though the rumors were about Davis and Olsen. Otherwise he would have quit unless being fired is considered better than being a quitter. I know what I said about Richardson is true but it doesn't matter who agrees or what proof is available almost 9 years later. Did Hurney still negotiate the contract? Yep. Could it have had less guaranteed money  in them. I would hope so.Even he would tell he would do things differently. You are free to reject or accept whatever you choose. You have already made up your mind and wouldn't budge if your life depended on it. Still this isn't the low hanging fruit. If you want to criticize him talk about the crazy drafting at the time with Brown and Edwards. No one holds anyone responsible for that but Hurney.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Don't know it ruins anything. He got fired because he didn't do what JR wanted. If he was fed up he still had to commit a fireable offense in JR's opinion. And as owner his opinion rules. I don't have to know the details even though the rumors were about Davis and Olsen. Otherwise he would have quit unless being fired is considered better than being a quitter. I know what I said about Richardson is true but it doesn't matter who agrees or what proof is available almost 9 years later. Did Hurney still negotiate the contract? Yep. Could it have had less guaranteed money  in them. I would hope so.Even he would tell he would do things differently. You are free to reject or accept whatever you choose. You have already made up your mind and wouldn't budge if your life depended on it. Still this isn't the low hanging fruit. If you want to criticize him talk about the crazy drafting at the time with Brown and Edwards. No one holds anyone responsible for that but Hurney.

  Again. Yada yada yada... whatever makes my opinion right. That about cover most of that wall of text? 

   Why would I discuss drafting in this thread? It is clearly about the salary cap. And I’m trying to just discuss what is affecting the team now. Since he’s done so well in his return. And that he is making the same mistakes as before. What has Hurney done with any money that has proven to be a good idea? 

[panthers55]

33 minutes ago, Toomers said:

It’s 7.4M right now. He got an 11.1M signing bonus. 3.7M was accounted for in last years cap. We still have to account for the rest. Where are you getting 6M? And yes 6M is a big deal too. I don’t care who signed it. There’s not one person on here that was more critical of signing Kalil. I judge a move by its merit. Not who made it. DG has plenty of screwups too. I’m not part of the crowd has to be on one side of everything no matter logic or reason. 

 Kind of like your blind homerism leads to statements like 6M is no big deal. And pay for lifetime achievement. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/greg-olsen-1302/

You tell me. Doesn't it look.like the signing bonus was doled out 6.8 million this year and 3.7 for  the next two years. It also adds up to more than 12 million so I don't know. 

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/greg-olsen-1302/

You tell me. Doesn't it look.like the signing bonus was doled out 6.8 million this year and 3.7 for  the next two years. It also adds up to more than 12 million so I don't know. 

No. The signing bonus is over 3 years. 11.1M at 3.7M. The 6.8M this year was for incentives. That’s why there is 7.4 in dead money if he decides to walk. I already told you showed you, explained to you. Talk about making up your mind and not budging in the face of facts. 

[panthers55]

Just now, Toomers said:

No. The signing bonus is over 3 years. 11.1M at 3.7M. The 6.8M this year was for incentives. That’s why there is 7.4 in dead money if he decides to walk. I already told you showed you, explained to you. Talk about making up your mind and not budging in the face of facts. 

So incentives he didn't earn were included as part of the signing bonus? I thought they were included in the cap if likely to be earned  but they weren't earned last year so were they likely? Secondly if you don't earn them then do you get it back in cap space next year? So his cap this year would have been less than 5 million? If so then Hurney's contract was even better than I thought.  BTW you have talked a bunch of stuff but this is the first time about the incentives. I thought this was a discussion. Lighten up Francis 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

So incentives he didn't earn were included as part of the signing bonus? I thought they were included in the cap if likely to be earned  but they weren't earned last year so were they likely? Secondly if you don't earn them then do you get it back in cap space next year? So his cap this year would have been less than 5 million? If so then Hurney's contract was even better than I thought.  BTW you have talked a bunch of stuff but this is the first time about the incentives. I thought this was a discussion. Lighten up Francis 

  It was the 3M in dead money from the previous contract. OTC explains it better. Sportrac has incentives but they aren’t guaranteed. Either way it’s still 7.4M. A discussion ends when you go to the “won’t budge no matter how much BS I post”. You ran out of ideas. You have tried everything to make this contract look better but won’t address that it costs us either. And it wasn’t necessary. I’m fine with it. I’m not the one debating undeniable facts

[panthers55]

58 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No. It just goes against your backtrack so you consider it stupid. 

  As I posted earlier, We signed the BROTHER of one of those very players that “JR” made Hurney pay. Even though DG had never spent money on any player like that. Two months later. He’s fired. Was it all over Olsen’s extension? Or did DG get fed up? 

   See I don’t know. Neither do you. So I go by the facts that Hurney. And DG are responsible for their own actions and don’t blame anyone else except Rivera some. 

  Sorry if it ruins your agenda. 

Ryan Kslil's contract was worked by Hurney, restructured by Gettleman with all kind of roster bonuses so it is hard to say who is most at fault there. And didn't DG sign Cam to his current deal so yeah he paid a lot more for a player. Plus who made KKs deal? Wasn't that for more too. Your facts seem like your logic. Random.

[bigdog10]

That sound you guys hear is Cam and Luke’s window being slammed shut by an incredibly idiotic front office (JR, Gettleman, and Hurney)

[rmoneyg35]

12 hours ago, RumHam said:

The answer is on the team and it's Dante Jackson. We need a proven starting veteran corner. Most likely we go into next season with the starting secondary looking exactly the same.

There is already a proven vet CB on the roster. Ross Cockrell.

 

he is a solid CB, did well in Pittsburgh but is a better zone CB which means he should do better here. Unfortunately he got hurt in training camp so he didn’t play this season and most people forgot about him.

 

Jackson could play nickel or continue to develop into an outside corner. 

 

Dont know if cockrell can play nickel but I believe he can. Hopefully he and Jackson can both play nickel, that will be great.

if Cockrell can recover from his injury the CB position should be solid.

 

especially if Munnerlyn is cut.

[Toomers]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Ryan Kslil's contract was worked by Hurney, restructured by Gettleman with all kind of roster bonuses so it is hard to say who is most at fault there. And didn't DG sign Cam to his current deal so yeah he paid a lot more for a player. Plus who made KKs deal? Wasn't that for more too. Your facts seem like your logic. Random.

Are you purposely this dense or actually this stupid. 

  Hurney gave Ryan Kalil one of these numerous “JR” deals you have spoken about. But 5 years later, it’s impossible to suggest that “family-friendly” JR had anything to do with giving his brother a ridiculous deal. I don’t care about Ryan’s contract now. Or Cams. Or KK. What does any of themhave to do with anything? 

  Nice deflection. Just babble and hope no one notices. 

[kungfoodude]

15 hours ago, Chaos said:

Just wait until we have to extend CMC.  Dudes going to get a Brinks truck of cash.

It is entirely likely that we just simply let him go in free agency. The days of paying a boatload of cash for a RB seem to be a thing of the past(for the moment). Maybe at the end of his rookie deal the tide will have turned in his favor, but I kind of doubt it. 

Take a look at Pittsburgh and their running game minus Bell. Didn't take a big step back at all. 

[KendrickPanther]

I don't understand why we made it so hard to get out of the Matt Kalil deal. The guy came to us with serious question marks. There should have been an easy out after 2 years.