Do You Think We Can Patch Up Both Oline and Dline Before 2019 Starts?

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It’ll be interesting to see Funchess and Butler in other teams to see how much is coaching. We saw Ealy in the SB. The talent was there. KB really sucks because of the injury. As Igo has mentioned many times, he was looking like an all pro in camp after his rookie year. You wonder how much he would have mentally fallen apart without that injury. He was our best weapon against Denver week 1 2016 and it would have been awesome to have him in the SB.

I just wonder if the injury directly caused KB's decline or if it just exposed an underlying issue? A big part of coming back from an ACL is putting in the work in rehab. It's a gruelling recovery process. He constantly showed up fat out of shape. It would surprise me if he didn't half ass it in rehab.

[ThPantherFan]

3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

I'm looking at this roster and we have very serious questions all over both sides of the line. 

Oline our Center is gone, we dont have a long term answer at LG, we dont have a true LT , Trai Turner hasn't been as good recently. The only position I feel is good is RT with Williams and Moton both being excellent at the position. So thats at least 3 O-line positions we need to fill.

Dline is even more of a mess. Mario has been consistently good the past couple of seasons but he's 31 and not a long term solution to DE. Peppers is old and a rotational player at best. We dont really know what we have with Obada, its a mystery. So essentially we have no long term answers at DE.  At DT, KK is 30 heading into next season and has been declining in play. Poe is terrible, Butler is terrible, and Love isnt a long term answer. 

How exactly did we get into a situation where both sides of our lines are in aging shambles? It seems that we're so lacking in good young talent on both sides its going to take multiple years to repair/rebuild them. Do you think that somehow they could both be in good enough shape to compete next year? And if so how would you go about accomplishing it? What FAs would you sign and who would you draft? 

We can, but at what cost?  We've put bits and pieces together in the past, especially to provide Cam with receiving talent and the run.  I see continuing to piece both lines with bargains because we don't have the cap space necessary to get talent that can play now instead of developing someone through the draft.  Hard to draft someone to start out the gate.  Yes, we've done it but it's not something easily done.

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

I'm looking at this roster and we have very serious questions all over both sides of the line. 

Oline our Center is gone, we dont have a long term answer at LG, we dont have a true LT , Trai Turner hasn't been as good recently. The only position I feel is good is RT with Williams and Moton both being excellent at the position. So thats at least 3 O-line positions we need to fill.

Dline is even more of a mess. Mario has been consistently good the past couple of seasons but he's 31 and not a long term solution to DE. Peppers is old and a rotational player at best. We dont really know what we have with Obada, its a mystery. So essentially we have no long term answers at DE.  At DT, KK is 30 heading into next season and has been declining in play. Poe is terrible, Butler is terrible, and Love isnt a long term answer. 

How exactly did we get into a situation where both sides of our lines are in aging shambles? It seems that we're so lacking in good young talent on both sides its going to take multiple years to repair/rebuild them. Do you think that somehow they could both be in good enough shape to compete next year? And if so how would you go about accomplishing it? What FAs would you sign and who would you draft? 

Debbie Downer 

[Khyber53]

Considering how devastated our O-line was before the first regular season game, it's pretty amazing they weren't worse than they were. They were far from great, but they should have been a massive train wreck.

In the end, they were an average line made up of apparent nobodies, retreads and retirees held together by Ryan Kalil. If Larsen can move to center and perform as well as he did, that gives us some time. If Williams can come back and perform at prior levels, we're set at RT. If Moton can slide over to LT and perform at 80% of what he did this season at RT, then we can survive. If Van Roten can improve a bit, he can make it at LG. If Trai can get back on track, he's a darned good RG. But if one of those guys even catches a head cold, we're toast.

D-Line is the real worry. I love Pep. He is a living legend. He just isn't an every down DE anymore. It has taken Father Time 17 seasons to catch the man, but I think he's holding onto Pep now like a Falcon's right tackle. KK, dang man, wishing we had paid Star instead. KK looked so good that one decision that we all went more squirelly than KK's eye when it comes to signing him to the big contract. I'd trade him in a heartbeat while there's still some reputation left. Vernon Butler who? Keep Kyle Love and keep rotating him in... the guy works hard and there's not a broken part of his game. Super Mario is good, Mike Rucker good, but he needs a stud defensive end on the other end of the line. Obada is like a great trailer for a movie you really want to see but all it says at the end is "Coming soon to a theater near you." Horton is a willing tackler and run stopper, but he's really just rotational material (and that's no slam, there's a lot of guys coming out of college that will never ever reach that level).

D-line is an emergency, O-line is a need. 

[Pimpdaddy]

love for the NFL to evolve to heavily incentive based contracts...thats how i get paid....its archaic in this day and age to produce nothing and get paid..i.e. fat fk Kalil...

[rmoneyg35]

Defensive line is a bigger need than offensive line.

 

if Williams comes back there will be 3 OT. 

We have Turner. 

Larsen isnt good but can play C or G.

we can draft a center or guard in the mid rounds.

guard is a easy position to fill and usually can sign a cheap FA or even find a good UDFA.

 

 

defensive line is a much bigger issue.

 

Short and Addison are the only good starters and Short is coming off a bad year while Addison is aging.

 

Poe had a bad year. It’s hard to make a prediction on him because he does have the capability to be good.

 

Wes Horton could come back. He is good against the Run but offers no pass rush.

 

Peppers could come back as a rotational guy.

 

Efe Obada will be cheap but is he capable of being a starter or just a back up?

 

Haynes is a wild card. He is undersized but produced consistently in college. With a year to get into 4-3 NFL size maybe he could be the future or maybe he could be a bust.

 

Butler will be a back up.

 

will need a DT and DE. Need a DE for the future. Need a DT for the future as well. No DT depth. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Wonder if Denver decides to go full rebuild if miller would be tradeable, I’d turn every stone to figure out how to get this d line on track for next season. Especially given the division and next year opponents 

[Sub Zero]

Use FA to get a quality pass rusher.. Spend the money for a Clowny, Clark, or Lawrence.. Then draft a DE and DT high.. 

Oline need competition at LG and C.. Bring back Williams, Clark, and Newhouse. Cut Kali and Draft a OT in the middle rounds. 

So my total plain is use FA to get a DE and secondary (S) help...

Than use the 1st 3 picks in the draft on the trenches  DE, OG/C, then DT .. With a OT in the 4th or 5th round..

[Pimpdaddy]

[Cdw]

6 hours ago, chbright said:

Oline isn't the abomination some think only if Williams comes back on a prove it deal and is atleast average.  We currently have 2 spots filled and a below average guy pencilled in. Issue really is who exactly plays LT. Williams back helps with RT and using Moton at either G or LT. Kalil retiring is gonna hurt but Larson is starting material ( below average but not replacement level).

Yep, if Williams comes back healthy and we are able to sign him to a reasonable deal, we put Moton at LT where he should have been this season and the Oline is already improved substantialy.  Say we draft a center in rd 1 or 2 (Id perfer DE rd 1) and all of a sudden our line isnt looking bad at all imo.  Pick up depth in later rounds or FA.

Dline will take longer, but if we nail a DE in round 1 it will go miles in helping.  Getting any more pressure at all will really help the secondary (which im not as concerned about as most).

So yeah, one offseason could see big results if done right.  We'll see what happens, could just as easily send out a geriatric dline and watch Kalil start at LT again.

[Lasus83.]

A center can, and should, be available on day 2... and a good one. LG day 2 also. Thank goodness for the KB trade now.

Pass rusher is gonna need to be in the 1st.

1 real standout in the pass rush can make a lot of other guys look good by giving them 1 on 1s.

 

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, Lasus83. said:

A center can, and should, be available on day 2... and a good one. LG day 2 also. Thank goodness for the KB trade now.

Pass rusher is gonna need to be in the 1st.

1 real standout in the pass rush can make a lot of other guys look good by giving them 1 on 1s.

 

What does the KB trade have to do with it? 

[uncfan888]

7 minutes ago, bull123 said:

He’s not that good

He could still use playing time when the season is over. 

[klumme]

We are a lot closer to succes on the O-line than D-line.  We have Kalil on the LT and Silatulu on LG.. Hall of Fame. Just kidding.. I hope. 

If we resign Williams and he is healthy we could look at Moton - ? - Larsen - Turner - Williams. That is not bad at all.

D-line? We are fuged.. We pay millions of millions for two DT who are not doing anyting and lets be honest... We have not a single top tier DE on the roster.