Youth movement is needed now. Let go of your emotional attachments.

[jasonluckydog]

Age racism 

[Jangler]

code for Hurney is gone.

[Jangler]

16 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Oh, and someone please tell KK to either to actually try next season or return his paycheck.

I got 4 Mikes Harder lemonades last night at yesteryears price, cuz they didn't take down the 2 for $4 tag...

 

[Toomers]

8 hours ago, Car123 said:

Aside from Delhomme, none of the players we gave contracts to were bad. Williams, Stewart, Davis, Beason, Johnson, etc. were more than serviceable, they were just overpaid.

We would have been worse of in 2018 without Davis, Kalil, and Peppers. Hanging on to them didn't hurt us.

Our secondary was to blame for our 2016. We couldn't stop anybody that year.

  Beason got almost the exact contract as Kalil. Hurney made him the highest paid LB after a major knee injury. And he played 5 games after that. And cost 13.3M to cut/trade. 

  Williams/Stewart was comically mid-handled. You pick ONE. And not the older one. Then compound it by paying both. D-Lo cost 9.6M to get rid of after 3 years of regression. We had to restructure JS every year to make him affordable. 

 CJ was a nightmare that we had to eat 20M of in 2015 just for the privilege of only paying 4M more the next year to cut him. 

  Godfrey was awful. 

  Now we handed Olsen a “Golden Parachute”. A PK got 9M guaranteed. What has he spent money on this time that was a good idea? Wright(solid) and ....????

Poe

T.Smith

Gano

Searcy

Anderson

 And if they thought Reid could play, why wait until week 4 to sign him. He should have been here in the summer. 

   One bad contract by someone else doesn’t change any of these facts. 

[Car123]

37 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Beason got almost the exact contract as Kalil. Hurney made him the highest paid LB after a major knee injury. And he played 5 games after that. And cost 13.3M to cut/trade. 

  Williams/Stewart was comically mid-handled. You pick ONE. And not the older one. Then compound it by paying both. D-Lo cost 9.6M to get rid of after 3 years of regression. We had to restructure JS every year to make him affordable. 

 CJ was a nightmare that we had to eat 20M of in 2015 just for the privilege of only paying 4M more the next year to cut him. 

  Godfrey was awful. 

  Now we handed Olsen a “Golden Parachute”. A PK got 9M guaranteed. What has he spent money on this time that was a good idea? Wright(solid) and ....????

Poe

T.Smith

Gano

Searcy

Anderson

 And if they thought Reid could play, why wait until week 4 to sign him. He should have been here in the summer. 

   One bad contract by someone else doesn’t change any of these facts. 

Godfrey was below average-average. Nakamura is what you'd call awful. Godfrey was never that bad. 

I don't know why you are posting this because I agreed that they were all overpaid (maybe due to JR).

He didn't sign T. Smith, we swaped Worley for him and he could be released anytime with no reprecussions. Not sure what you wanted our GM to do at WR. A solid wide receiver would cost us over 8 million. We didn't have the money. Smith makes 5 m a year, which is a bargain in today's nfl. He was brought in in case the WR we drafted didn't pan out. 

Searcy was injured and played well in the first game of the season. CJ was a hell of a bargain and a good player. Blame Norv and Rivera for not playing him.

None of the players signed in 2018 have crippling contracts.

[Billy Love]

18 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Peppers, Davis, Olsen, Adams, etc etc

The Panthers need to move on and get young. They can't do that by hanging on to vets that have been fan favorites for so long.

Please let's not spend another entire season watching older guys unable to match speed or get injured again. 

We have wastes so much of Cam's time as it is. Hell, we might not even have Cam back the way he was at all. 

Let's find some young guys that are hungry. The sun has set on the current core.

Would be nice indeed. But I’m afraid we’re looking at another episode of “ground hogs day” retaining Ron and his pals is Teppers way of saying, Carry On.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Godfrey was below average-average. Nakamura is what you'd call awful. Godfrey was never that bad. 

I don't know why you are posting this because I agreed that they were all overpaid.

He didn't sign T. Smith and he could be released anytime with no reprecussions. Not sure what you wanted our GM to do at WR. A solid wide receiver would cost us over 8 million. We didn't have the money. Smith makes 5 m a year, which is a bargain in today's nfl. He was brought in in case the WR we drafted didn't pan out. 

Searcy was injured and played well in the first game of the season. CJ was a hell of a bargain and a good player. Blame Norv and Rivera for not playing him.

None of the players signed in 2018 have crippling contracts.

So Kalil is just “overpaid” too. 

  Nakamura didn’t cost 6.4M to cut either. Godfrey did.

 So you see your draft pick will be good. You’re going into the season knowing Smith won’t be in your top 3 WRs soon. But even though it costs nothing to cut him(as you stated) you pay him all 5M when you could have had him or someone similar for half that at most. You think teams were lining up to sign him? 

  Searcy was a backup and will be if he plays again. 

  Poe’s contract is bad. The ridiculous Olsen deal is a “Hurney” masterpiece. It’s only 7M. Gano and the rest of his 9M guaranteed. Do none of these count? 

[Car123]

36 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So Kalil is just “overpaid” too. 

  Nakamura didn’t cost 6.4M to cut either. Godfrey did.

 So you see your draft pick will be good. You’re going into the season knowing Smith won’t be in your top 3 WRs soon. But even though it costs nothing to cut him(as you stated) you pay him all 5M when you could have had him or someone similar for half that at most. You think teams were lining up to sign him? 

  Searcy was a backup and will be if he plays again. 

  Poe’s contract is bad. The ridiculous Olsen deal is a “Hurney” masterpiece. It’s only 7M. Gano and the rest of his 9M guaranteed. Do none of these count? 

The difference is that Matt Kalil is an XFL, Arena league talent that is being paid like an NFL perennial all-pro.

Not sure how that makes Godfrey awful but ok.

Searcy was not a backup for Tennessee or us. Stop changing history.

Poe's contract made sense at the time. The entire defense, including Kuechly, looked bad under Washington. I wouldn't be surprised if Poe and the rest of our defense have a good 2019.

They count, but they're not cripping like Kalil's deal.

[raleigh-panther]

Not to be Debbie Downer at the start of a New Year, but I’ve seen too much of Hurney with John Fox to feel great about Hurney continuing to be joined with John Fox the Second in the rebuilding of this franchise 

Add to it,, Newton is a shell of himself

Not even sure right now if I’m going to renew my PSLs in March

First time in 20 years I have felt this way 

This is a young man’s league and too many key spots are old with a coach and a GM who won’t bring the scissors when needed 

We had a chance to clean house on all accounts and didn’t 

As far as Hurney and Rivera are concerned, ‘you can put lipstick on a pig’ but it’s still the same, old, mediocre pig ....just another year older

 

 

[Toomers]

19 minutes ago, Car123 said:

The difference is that Matt Kalil is an XFL, Arena league talent that is being paid like an NFL perennial all-pro.

Not sure how that makes Godfrey awful but ok.

Searcy was not a backup for Tennessee or us. Stop changing history.

Poe's contract made sense at the time. The entire defense, including Kuechly, looked bad under Washington. I wouldn't be surprised if Poe and the rest of our defense have a good 2019.

They count, but they're not cripping like Kalil's deal.

Which is exactly the point about Godfrey. He was way overpaid. Just like Kalil. Just like Beason(5 games). Just like Poe. Just like 2 RBs. 

  How was Beason not crippling at similar numbers. Or CJs 20M in 2015? 

 How many games did Searcy start in 2017? He has started every game he’s played in a season ONCE in his career, where he lost the job 6 games into the following year. What part of history is wrong? 

[Car123]

14 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Which is exactly the point about Godfrey. He was way overpaid. Just like Kalil. Just like Beason(5 games). Just like Poe. Just like 2 RBs. 

  How was Beason not crippling at similar numbers. Or CJs 20M in 2015? 

 How many games did Searcy start in 2017? He has started every game he’s played in a season ONCE in his career, where he lost the job 6 games into the following year. What part of history is wrong? 

The 2018 contracts weren't crippling. I'm not talking about pre 2012 contracts.

Who the heck is CJ? Charles Johnson? And who gave him 20 million in 2015?

Ffs Searcy started 13 games in 2014. He had a good year and received a 4 year 24 million dollar contract. He then started 13 games in 2015, 14 in 2016. Stop with the misleading poo. You make it seem like he was a career backup. We signed him to a 2 year 5.7 million dollar contract. He got what he was worth.

[Mr. Scot]

Charles Johnson is definitely one of the last names you should want to talk about if you're trying to prop up Marty Hurney.

The six year blockbuster contract that Hurney signed him to in 2011 is known to have come partially as a result of Atlanta tricking Hurney into basically bidding against himself. On the flipside, Gettleman managed to get him back on a much smaller contract.

Hurney being fooled into doing things by other teams isn't that unusual, unfortunately. The same thing happened with Jake Delhomme's initial contact and the Colts notoriously floated a phony rumor that led to his trade up for Armanti Edwards.

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

Age racism 

Or discrimination.

Unless you are suggesting that the Panthers are getting rid of old people of a particular race.

And if they are, damn them.

[Mr. Scot]

Age discrimination is part of the NFL's standard operating procedure.