Tepper won't speak

[GeorgeHanson]

5 minutes ago, RenoCarolina said:

Tepper's "core competency" is the same as every other wealthy person.  He buys low and sells high. 

But comparing the Panthers purchase to his every day business is apples to oranges.  This was an ego purchase.  Which I totally do not have a problem with because I know the end game for that has to be a benefit to both the casual fan and the fanatic.  Anyone who expected sudden changes is going to be disappointed.

 

Interesting observation there, you did drill down to the absolute core!

That said, how does he decide low and high?  What is his every day business?

[GeorgeHanson]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You seriously can't tell who I'm hinting at from that post?

Really?

I did misread the consulting post initially.  And no, I'm not sure exactly who you are hinting at.  Who is it?

Has Marty being retained as the full-time General Manager been officially confirmed?

[RenoCarolina]

3 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Interesting observation there, you did drill down to the absolute core!

That said, how does he decide low and high?  What is his every day business?

I just have this gut feeling that if either you or I knew absolutely how he decided low and high neither of us would be discussing this on the huddle atm.  

But since I am on the huddle, I must revert to meme-form to answer your question.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Easy.

Cam and Jerry didn't want Steve around because he was hurting Cam's feelings.  All Cam had to do was say "guys I got this, I want Smitty on this team and we will work it out between us", simple as that.

Cutting Josh saved Jerry and his partners $13 million.  There is no other explanation.  It was a knee jerk reaction by Jerry, he is very thin-skinned and got mad about all the public rhetoric during negotiations and decided he'd teach Josh a lesson.  He did, to the detriment of the team.

If you can't identify Tepper's core competency you're in no position to evaluate the situation.

I've already advised you his core competency doesn't matter. Building a winning football team is not like anything else, and funny of smart, skilled people have failed at it before.

I hope Tepper succeeds, but if you think there's no way he can possibly fail, I can tell you that's not true.

As for your analysis of the behind-the-scenes stuff, you're completely wrong.  When Gettleman was tired, the decisions to let go of Steve Smith and Josh Norman were cited as reasons why Richardson was unhappy with him. His next moves were going to be to part ways with Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis, so Richardson stepped in.

14 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

I did misread the consulting post initially.  And no, I'm not sure exactly who you are hinting at.  Who is it?

Has Marty being retained as the full-time General Manager been officially confirmed?

Ozzie Newsome.

And although there's been no official announcement, inside sources have confirmed that Hurney is being retained.

[GeorgeHanson]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've already advised you his core competency doesn't matter. Building a winning football team is not like anything else, and funny of smart, skilled people have failed at it before.

I hope Tepper succeeds, but if you think there's no way he can possibly fail, I can tell you that's not true.

As for your analysis of the behind-the-scenes stuff, you're completely wrong.  When Gettleman was tired, the decisions to let go of Steve Smith and Josh Norman were cited as reasons why Richardson was unhappy with him. His next moves were going to be to part ways with Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis, so Richardson stepped in.

Ozzie Newsome.

And although there's been no official announcement, inside sources have confirmed that Hurney is being retained.

Jerry and Cam didn't want Smitty, this is true.  No sane GM would send Josh packing like that, this is the move of a whacky old owner with anger-management issues who is prone to kneejerk reactions, simple as that.  Jerry told Gettleman to give PED58 and Olsen new deals and he refused, so Jerry fired him.  Glad I could clear that up for you.

NFL teams aren't some sort of unicorn in the world of for-profit businesses, in fact they are pretty darn simple operations when you get down to it.

David Tepper's core-competency is analyzing and solving complex business problems across a wide variety of industries and economies, and doing so long before the competition.  By comparison fixing up an NFL team is child's play for him.

Nothing in life is guaranteed but when the competition is relative dolts like Haslam and Snyder and Jones and Richardson (past tense) the odds of Tepper succeeding are pretty darn good in my opinion.

 

[GeorgeHanson]

2 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

I just have this gut feeling that if either you or I knew absolutely how he decided low and high neither of us would be discussing this on the huddle atm.  

But since I am on the huddle, I must revert to meme-form to answer your question.

The way he figures out low and high is he's the smartest guy in the room and he figures it out on his own.

This, is Tepper's core-competency.

[raz]

mr george you're just making instances fit your narrative.   you seem to think very rich people are infallible.   josh wasn't a richardson move.  it was josh's agent and g'man getting in a measuring contest.  g'man had harper and smitty pass each other in the building.  he was a jerk.   you have 35 posts built around appeals to authority all aimed at building confidence in tepper.  i think you're a shill.  i think you've been put here by someone to do exactly what you're doing.  you're pulling a juliosantos with less hysteria.  i don't actually think you know anything about anything now, from your posts that are completely incorrect about how things went down here.  basically, we have no reason at all to trust tepper. not now.  we'll all see, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, not after leaving this shite show together for another tour.  it really points to him not wanting to pay 2 coaches, and having shills hit the airwaves with r e l a x.   its bs.  he's cheaping out. he's got enough money to get any human being he wants, including belicheat, and he got no one.   

[Waldo]

If Tepper hired one competent person as a GM, which there are multiple options out there at this time, the fan base would chill and Rivera would actually have his best shot at not tanking next year. That didn't happen so the people who have been through 12 years of Hurney and worse the Hurney/Rivera combo are very upset about the poop show we have set up next year. If Tepper wants a high draft pick for his next GM/HC then he is doing well, if he wants to win he is doing very poorly. I think that is as simple as I can make it in the AM.

[coralreefer_1]

17 hours ago, Waldo said:

If Tepper hired one competent person as a GM, which there are multiple options out there at this time, the fan base would chill and Rivera would actually have his best shot at not tanking next year. That didn't happen so the people who have been through 12 years of Hurney and worse the Hurney/Rivera combo are very upset about the poop show we have set up next year. If Tepper wants a high draft pick for his next GM/HC then he is doing well, if he wants to win he is doing very poorly. I think that is as simple as I can make it in the AM.

Tepper wins no matter what he does. This is the part that hurts the feeling of all those that expected him to ride in here and make sudden and sweeping changes. The fact is he doesn't HAVE to change anything. He's still going to make a profit even if have a losing record for the next 5 years, and it breaks the heart of so many to come to the realization that...no, Tepper isnt the real cool guy they got hyped about because he did some PR videos. Tepper is the businessman that had the money to buy a team because he is a BUSINESSMAN!

High draft pick? Low draft pick? 4 players die in an accident? No matter what happens so long as the Panthers keep players on the field and people continue to pay..what 9 bucks for a warm beer to sit in the sun at a home game, his INVESTMENT is going to make him money. 

I said it as soon as IGo started making threads praising Tepper as the new light. Dude is a businessman first ( just like Jr) The only difference is he is a bit younger, a bit less sick, and doesnt give a damn about the Carolinas as anything more than the home of his investment.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

The way he figures out low and high is he's the smartest guy in the room and he figures it out on his own.

This, is Tepper's core-competency.

In the movie "Armageddon", there's a scene where Billy Bob Thornton calls Jason Isaacs "the smartest man on the planet".

Shortly thereafter, there's a scene where Bruce Willis berates him not knowing anything about drilling. When he objects,  Billy Bob Thornton tells him to shut up.

Even the "smartest guys in the room" can't just walk into any room and know exactly how to do something they've never done. The whole notion that Tepper automatically knows how to be a great NFL owner is pretty silly. Maybe he can learn to be one, but he's not that thing just yet.

So for me, I'll save my hero worship till he does something better than retaining two guys who are lousy at their jobs.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, bull123 said:

You folks need to recognize there are 8 coaching jobs out there open...I bet many of them get filled by coaches that were fired

i don’t want some retread that just got fired coming in here

tepper is right in not firing our guys

There are zero teams looking for a new GM.  The only team that fired their GM this year has already filled the position with a TV analyst.

You could have your choice of any GM candidate right now. Tepper chose Marty Hurney.

As to the coaches, they're going to be other teams looking for new head coaches pretty much every year. That's not justification for hanging on to the mediocre one that we have.

[GeorgeHanson]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

In the movie "Armageddon", there's a scene where Billy Bob Thornton calls Jason Isaacs "the smartest man on the planet".

Shortly thereafter, there's a scene where Bruce Willis berates him not knowing anything about drilling. When he objects,  Billy Bob Thornton tells him to shut up.

Even the "smartest guys in the room" can't just walk into any room and know exactly how to do something they've never done. The whole notion that Tepper automatically knows how to be a great NFL owner is pretty silly. Maybe he can learn to be one, but he's not that thing just yet.

So for me, I'll save my hero worship till he does something better than retaining two guys who are lousy at their jobs.

You're talking about fiction, I'm talking about real life.

Tepper didn't just walk into the NFL room. 

David has been an NFL owner for 9 years and while he had zero control over Steeler operations in those 9 years I guarantee you he was watching everything they did, everything, like a hawk.  He was also closely watching every other NFL team, and the league office too.  I'd venture to say there has never been a new owner coming into the league who is as smart, as rich, and as well prepared to succeed from day 1 than David Tepper.

As previously mentioned, solving the NFL puzzle is mere child's play for Tepper vs. other challenges he has taken on during his investing career.  That said, Tepper definitely had down years during his investing career, for certain the man is not infallible but his long-term track record is undeniably epic. 

Will there be ups and downs?  Absolutely.  Will David Tepper lead the Panthers to excellent results over a 20 year time period?  Extremely likely.  Will the Panthers go on an epic 20 year run like the Patriots?  Pretty unlikely, but certainly a possibility with Tepper at the helm.  I predict a minimum of 2 Super Bowl wins in the next 20 years.

20 years, hmmm....for perspective, an investor who placed $1 million with David when he opened Appaloosa in 1993 would had an account balance of $181 million after 20 years (real life, not fiction) --- I want to invest with that guy --- and while he would never allow me to do so anyway, I'm certainly not going to attempt going micromanage his decisions/investments along the way.

People you have a decision to make, either invest with the smartest guy in the room and support your new owner or go find another team and owner to whine about and piss on, it really is that simple.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, GeorgeHanson said:

You're talking about fiction, I'm talking about real life.

Tepper didn't just walk into the NFL room. 

David has been an NFL owner for 9 years and while he had zero control over Steeler operations in those 9 years I guarantee you he was watching everything they did, everything, like a hawk.  He was also closely watching every other NFL team, and the league office too.  I'd venture to say there has never been a new owner coming into the league who is as smart, as rich, and as well prepared to succeed from day 1 than David Tepper.

As previously mentioned, solving the NFL puzzle is mere child's play for Tepper vs. other challenges he has taken on during his investing career.  That said, Tepper definitely had down years during his investing career, for certain the man is not infallible but his long-term track record is undeniably epic. 

Will there be ups and downs?  Absolutely.  Will David Tepper lead the Panthers to excellent results over a 20 year time period?  Extremely likely.  Will the Panthers go on an epic 20 year run like the Patriots?  Pretty unlikely, but certainly a possibility with Tepper at the helm.  I predict a minimum of 2 Super Bowl wins in the next 20 years.

20 years, hmmm....for perspective, an investor who placed $1 million with David when he opened Appaloosa in 1993 would had an account balance of $181 million after 20 years (real life, not fiction) --- I want to invest with that guy --- and while he would never allow me to do so anyway, I'm certainly not going to attempt going micromanage his decisions/investments along the way.

People you have a decision to make, either invest with the smartest guy in the room and support your new owner or go find another team and owner to whine about and piss on, it really is that simple.

Jim Haslam also built a highly profitable business and spent years as a minority owner of the Steelers before taking over his own team. Results have been less than stellar.

You're free to believe that Tepper can do no wrong as an NFL owner just because he built a successful business. I find it to be a naive, and frankly silly, mindset, but that's your right.

I'll save the hero worship for when he proves it.

[GeorgeHanson]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Jim Haslam also built a highly profitable business and spent years as a minority owner of the Steelers before taking over his own team. Results have been less than stellar.

You're free to believe that Tepper can do no wrong as an NFL owner just because he built a successful business. I find it to be a naive, and frankly silly, mindset, but that's your right.

I'll save the hero worship for when he proves it.

Jim Haslam's daddy built that business.  Jim's a card carrying member of the lucky sperm club.

Jim Haslam isn't even in the same state as David Tepper, much less the same room.

If you believe I believe Tepper can do no wrong, you didn't read the post.