Tepper won't speak

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Tepper wins no matter what he does. This is the part that hurts the feeling of all those that expected him to ride in here and make sudden and sweeping changes. The fact is he doesn't HAVE to change anything. He's still going to make a profit even if have a losing record for the next 5 years, and it breaks the heart of so many to come to the realization that...no, Tepper isnt the real cool guy they got hyped about because he did some PR videos. Tepper is the businessman that had the money to buy a team because he is a BUSINESSMAN!

High draft pick? Low draft pick? 4 players die in an accident? No matter what happens so long as the Panthers keep players on the field and people continue to pay..what 9 bucks for a warm beer to sit in the sun at a home game, his INVESTMENT is going to make him money. 

I said it as soon as IGo started making threads praising Tepper as the new light. Dude is a businessman first ( just like Jr) The only difference is he is a bit younger, a bit less sick, and doesnt give a damn about the Carolinas as anything more than the home of his investment.

 

I have no doubt that Tepper will make his money. I was encouraged by what he has done and how he has done it up till this point. Now he has, in my opinion, made a huge mistake. If Tepper wants to change the culture of the team to a competent winning organization with a shred of accountability, I will be buying $9 beers on Sundays. Hurney is neither a competent GM nor does he have much knowledge of what winning is in the NFL and how to do it consistently. If Tepper is another Jones or even a Ross, then fug him. Hurney is the GM equivalent of a professional football team with no indoor practice facility that uses a hotel's banquet hall in bad weather. 

 

[GeorgeHanson]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

I have no doubt that Tepper will make his money. I was encouraged by what he has done and how he has done it up till this point. Now he has, in my opinion, made a huge mistake. If Tepper wants to change the culture of the team to a competent winning organization with a shred of accountability, I will be buying $9 beers on Sundays. Hurney is neither a competent GM nor does he have much knowledge of what winning is in the NFL and how to do it consistently. If Tepper is another Jones or even a Ross, then fug him. Hurney is the GM equivalent of a professional football team with no indoor practice facility that uses a hotel's banquet hall in bad weather. 

 

Tepper doesn't care about making money on this Panthers, strictly a hobby.  In the past the team has made $50-60 million in a good year but even if he ramped that up to $100 million it's rounding error for a man of his wealth, non-event.  In fact, I expect it to go the other direction for the foreseeable future as Tepper builds up proper staffing and invests in facilities, etc....

For him the team is like the billionaire car guy with 50 Ferrari's in a warehouse --- doing it because he loves it, doesn't care about the money.  20 years down the road he might sell a Ferrari or 2 for a nice profit but that's not the goal, the goal is to have the best Ferrari collection --- Tepper's goal is for the Panthers to be great!

https://deadspin.com/leaked-nfl-documents-while-owner-cried-hardship-carol-5988893

[Waldo]

First, you don't earn that kind of money from nothing without caring about it. Second, you don't build a Ferrari out of broken down Ford parts and call it a Ferrari. Third, who's alt are you?

[GeorgeHanson]

43 minutes ago, Waldo said:

First, you don't earn that kind of money from nothing without caring about it. Second, you don't build a Ferrari out of broken down Ford parts and call it a Ferrari. Third, who's alt are you?

Not saying he doesn't care about it.  Am saying earning an extra $100 million will zero effect his daily life, non-factor.  Also saying girding his legacy by building a winning organization is Tepper's primary concern, profits aren't even in the top-10 on the list (and is a key reason he chose not to have any partners).  This is the exact opposite of how Richardson approached things and fans should be thrilled as such.

Your Ferrari analogy is not relevant.

 

[Waldo]

13 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Not saying he doesn't care about it.  Am saying earning an extra $100 million will zero effect his daily life, non-factor.  Also saying girding his legacy by building a winning organization is Tepper's primary concern, profits aren't even in the top-10 on the list (and is a key reason he chose not to have any partners).  This is the exact opposite of how Richardson approached things and fans should be thrilled as such.

Your Ferrari analogy is not relevant.

 

The Ferrari analogy is relevant because he is using crap parts, proven with history that can be quantified.

Tepper had a great start and built a lot of excitement. I do not see the strategy to get to winning and all of this legacy stuff with the current off season moves. He will be a 2nd year owner with what is looking like one losing season and a repeat incoming. Not the stuff of legend. Does he have a strategy, I sure hope so but those cards are murky to us plebes at this point. 

As far as the whole shtick of him not caring about money, well I call BS. The man is motivated and successful at accumulating wealth. Good for him, not a hater because he tried real hard and succeeded. Do you know what you call a person that stops caring about and protecting their money? Broke or soon to be broke. It takes effort to keep wealth and it's big business finding ways to part those people from their wealth. I like what I have see of him as a human and as a businessman. As an owner it was very exciting at first and now very disappointing. FYI, Hurney is the Ford parts and that will not make a Ferrari, which would be the organization. Rivera is more of a tool and it all depends who's hands he is in what outcome you get with that guy.

Seriously are you an alt or a shill?

[Mr. Scot]

55 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Not saying he doesn't care about it.  Am saying earning an extra $100 million will zero effect his daily life, non-factor.  Also saying girding his legacy by building a winning organization is Tepper's primary concern, profits aren't even in the top-10 on the list (and is a key reason he chose not to have any partners).  This is the exact opposite of how Richardson approached things and fans should be thrilled as such.

Your Ferrari analogy is not relevant.

His analogy is actually dead on.

And if you've actually read anything about Tepper, you'd know he's a guy that used to complain about how expensive it was to buy coffee filters for his office.

[ellis]

Tepper considering this as a “hobby” would disturb me more than any suggested desire to profit from it. 

[ellis]

The NFL is a tough business. Winning earns the praise, losing earns the scrutiny. 

Owners are no exception, no matter how cool of a guy you think he is. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Have a growing suspicion that Tepper is going to let the Hurney, Rivera and Cam era play itself out rather than attempt any half measures/fixes.

Tepper can always ride in like a white knight at some future point in time if the Panthers crash and burn. 

On the other hand, if a miracle happens and the Panthers shine, he looks like a genius for staying the course. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Tepper sure did talk a big game coming in and he was all smiles and highly visible early on when we were winning, but then... POOF! He vanished. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tepper sure did talk a big game coming in and he was all smiles and highly visible early on when we were winning, but then... POOF! He vanished. 

Not a good sign for anyone hired by the previous ownership.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Not a good sign for anyone hired by the previous ownership.

Yet, here we sit staring at a near certainty of another year of Hurney/Rivera. All I care about is the football side of the house and the only changes he's made are on the business side. I just hope we have an owner who actually wants to win and doesn't just see this franchise as a business investment because right now, despite all the early winning talk, Tepper is looking more like the latter.

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yet, here we sit staring at a near certainty of another year of Hurney/Rivera. All I care about is the football side of the house and the only changed he's made are on the business side. I just hope we have an owner who actually wants to win and doesn't just see this franchise as a business investment because right now, desperately all the early winning talk, Tepper is looking more like the latter.

Since Tepper didn't fire JR's people on Monday, I'm giving him credit for being cool under pressure and staying the course (for now).

Also, many Panthers fans don't have an issue with the team's current management (lower expectations perhaps).  These same fans would likely hold a long-term grudge against Tepper if he brought in his own people at this point.  Especially, if there wasn't an immediate improvement in the team's performance.

Many just don't like change, especially when it comes from an "outsider". 

Tepper isn't going anywhere, he has time on his side, at least for now.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not going to go as far as to say Tepper is a moron. I don't think that's warranted.

That said, what I find equally dim is the notion that Tepper is some sort of super genius and keeping losers like Hurney and Rivera in place is part of some amazingly intricate plan that none of us poor souls are smart enough to understand, so we just have to trust him. 

In point of fact, I don't have to trust him. He's not done anything on the football side of the coin to earn my trust yet. Just the opposite, in fact.

The reality is that whether due to bad advice, his being a novice owner or him just plain trusting the wrong people, Tepper is making a colossal mistake.

Oh, and please don't tell me "wait and see". I've already seen this movie over a dozen times. I know how it ends 

Does he really want to win? I believe he does, but his choices as far as how to do so on the football side are a disaster thus far. And frankly, that puts him in the same territory as Jerry Richardson.

I hope he turns it around, but my initial impressions don't exactly leave me feeling enthusiastic.