Marty Hurney hasn't put together a winning roster since 2008

[electro's horse]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

His giving extensions to Davis, Olsen and Peppers and letting Kalil keep his full salary for a "farewell" season aren't exactly good signs.

What worries me most though is that he's paired with Rivera. We know from his own words that Rivera wants older veterans to be able to finish "on their own terms".  Gettleman opposed him on that. Not sure Hurney will 

He's obviously not going to get the chance with Peppers or Kalil; they're gone. 

TD can still play, and I'm fine with him out there. Also there's no way he goes anywhere but Carolina ever. Like he has a statue ready the day he retires. 

Olsen is the questionable one. he has a lot of options ahead of him, including politics. That'll be the interesting one. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, electro's horse said:

He's obviously not going to get the chance with Peppers or Kalil; they're gone. 

TD can still play, and I'm fine with him out there. Also there's no way he goes anywhere but Carolina ever. Like he has a statue ready the day he retires. 

Olsen is the questionable one. he has a lot of options ahead of him, including politics. That'll be the interesting one. 

It's not just the specific guys though. It's the philosophy.

if we're hoping to start following the idea of letting guys go a year too early rather than a year too late, I'm not real sure we have the right people in charge.

[frash.exe]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Looking back at a losing season and saying "but hey, we had a good draft" is pretty silly.

The NFL doesn't give out trophies for good drafts. They give out trophies for winning.

We could have the best draft in history. If we still put together a losing season, it doesn't mean jack sh-t.

this is a really really minority opinion especially in a place like this, but the draft is extremely overrated on this forum and barely anyone that posts here is aware of what a good strategy is

[electro's horse]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not just the specific guys though. It's the philosophy.

if we're hoping to start following the idea of letting guys go a year too early rather than a year too late, I'm not real sure we have the right people in charge.

perhaps. 

I will say that i think Tepper is doing a very corporate style reorg here. I think we're going to see a ton of change on the business/FO/consulting end before we see a lot of coaching changes.

Always start with changes at the top and work your way down. 

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

The coaches didn’t refuse to be play Anderson, he refused to do the role they had for him. He was a diva that wanted to be the center of play calling, when he got his shots he fuged them up. 

So reid who isn’t great but manageable, so we got 4 players how about your other 46?

It’s called depth I’m not sure how you aren’t understanding this. Bad depth is a direct result of a horrible GM. We haven’t had a full offensive line since what week 1?

how does your star QB get hurt? Playing behind bad depth. 

What fuging depth was going to fix your QB's dead arm after week 8 and losing oline thru out the season??  I'm sorry you can't fix losing players at the same position due to injuries with a the magical surplus of NFL talent on the street..lol

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

What fuging depth was going to fix your QB's dead arm after week 8 and losing oline thru out the season??  I'm sorry you can't fix losing players at the same position due to injuries with a the magical surplus of NFL talent on the street..lol

yeah there's a huge dearth of o line talent in the nfl right now

[Sub Zero]

This thread has no context to it.. Not every losing season is the same and can be blamed on personal.. Sometimes you need luck and we didn't have it.. We lost more 1 score games this year than any other team this year.. We started the season losing Olinemen and Secondary players before the 1st game.. Then add in the fact you lose a offensive weapon like Olsen most of the year and your QB is playing with a dead arm half of the season.. Some of you who are (hypocrites) gave every excuse to Gettelmen men during his losing years and refuse to do it now..lol

[Sub Zero]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

yeah there's a huge dearth of o line talent in the nfl right now

And Secondary and a Kurt Warner working at the local Harris Teeter..lol Dam you Hurney for not scouting the Walmart and Food lion for depht..lol

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

perhaps. 

I will say that i think Tepper is doing a very corporate style reorg here. I think we're going to see a ton of change on the business/FO/consulting end before we see a lot of coaching changes.

Always start with changes at the top and work your way down. 

I'd have done it the other way around, but I'm more interested in fielding a successful football team than running a business. Being an NFL owner involves both.

[RumHam]

4 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Last year was Gettleman's roster, Hurney didn't draft anyone or sign anyone. This is the first year he got to do that since 2012 and we have another losing season.

People talking about Hurney 2.0 changing, and that very well could be the case, but he certainly hasn't gotten any better at putting a roster together top to bottom, and that is evident in the fact that it has been a decade since he put together a winning team.

This is why ultimately, if we do keep Rivera, we need a new GM. Rivera has proven he can win with someone else as the GM of the Panthers, but he has never won when Hurney has put together a roster. 

I would love for us to just start fresh and clean house between Rivera and Hurney, but it seems more and more likely we are retaining Rivera, so trim the fat of the least qualified GM in the NFL. 

We are on the same page. He needs to gtfo

[Cpt slay a ho]

Wtf season did y’all watch this year? Hurney did his job did Rivera do his ?

[frash.exe]

you guys aren’t ready to hear this, but fug it

i always thought hurney was closer to what you’d see if an actual fan was a general manager rather than a true talent executive tbh

his first priority in every round of the draft is the same: find a standout player that you think can bring explosiveness to the offense or defense. when you’re picking in the top 15 or top 25 this isn’t rly an issue, bc those standouts that have first round grades are the ones you want to pick in the first round. after the top 25 is gone, the odds of finding that diamond in a pile of rubbish stack against you more and more. yet hurney still plays that game well into his compensatory picks, and this is why i believe he doesn’t have the chops. 

so at this point you might say: “but frash, isn’t that the point of the draft? to pick an outstanding draft class?” well yeah i mean it’s great if all of your 5-10 picks turn out to be day 1 starters and have long careers, but unless you’ve been paying attention, there’s like no GM out there that has been able to pull a perfect draft class out of their ass. so chasing this idealized vision of a draft class where your 7th round pick ends up being the next jordan gross/steve smith/julius peppers for ten years is useless. you draft like this and you end up bringing in guys like armanti edwards, joe adams, dwayne jarrett, duke robinson, stanley mcclover, ryne robinson, everette brown, etc. 

gettleman’s approach was different. he was looking for players with skill sets that could project to production at the next level. he was definitely looking for certain types of players. i believe that’s why we brought in guys like daryl williams, taylor moton, andrew norwell, aj klein, kawann short, but he wasn’t swinging for the fences like hurney does trying desperately to find day one starters on day 3. bene benwikere didn’t have a long stint here, but for a mid round pick, he did contribute a lot to create a whole that was worth more than just the sum of its parts (i.e., the 2015 panthers) for a little bit, and IMHO that is a better strategy. it has its pitfalls, yes. it’s pretty much why gettleman picked vernon butler, and i think in that same situation, hurney would have drafted hunter henry. but gettleman also treated the draft closer to what it really was, and he knew the what the talent in each round had to offer better than hurney did. if he could find someone that could offer maybe 1-2 years of respectable (not outstanding) production, well he could find a guy that could do that. hurney? oh no we need to find someone with the most prolific highlight reel even if the school he went to was running a gimmick offense bc i didn’t sign anybody in free agency this year and the draft is where i’m adding all my talent.

[Krovvy]

4 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

you guys aren’t ready to hear this, but fug it

i always thought hurney was closer to what you’d see if an actual fan was a general manager rather than a true talent executive tbh

his first priority in every round of the draft is the same: find a standout player that you think can bring explosiveness to the offense or defense. when you’re picking in the top 15 or top 25 this isn’t rly an issue, bc those standouts that have first round grades are the ones you want to pick in the first round. after the top 25 is gone, the odds of finding that diamond in a pile of rubbish stack against you more and more. yet hurney still plays that game well into his compensatory picks, and this is why i believe he doesn’t have the chops. 

so at this point you might say: “but frash, isn’t that the point of the draft? to pick an outstanding draft class?” well yeah i mean it’s great if all of your 5-10 picks turn out to be day 1 starters and have long careers, but unless you’ve been paying attention, there’s like no GM out there that has been able to pull a perfect draft class out of their ass. so chasing this idealized vision of a draft class where your 7th round pick ends up being the next jordan gross/steve smith/julius peppers for ten years is useless. you draft like this and you end up bringing in guys like armanti edwards, joe adams, dwayne jarrett, duke robinson, stanley mcclover, ryne robinson, everette brown, etc. 

gettleman’s approach was different. he was looking for players with skill sets that could project to production at the next level. he was definitely looking for certain types of players. i believe that’s why we brought in guys like daryl williams, taylor moton, andrew norwell, aj klein, kawann short, but he wasn’t swinging for the fences like hurney does trying desperately to find day one starters on day 3. bene benwikere didn’t have a long stint here, but for a mid round pick, he did contribute a lot to create a whole that was worth more than just the sum of its parts (i.e., the 2015 panthers) for a little bit, and IMHO that is a better strategy. it has its pitfalls, yes. it’s pretty much why gettleman picked vernon butler, and i think in that same situation, hurney would have drafted hunter henry. but gettleman also treated the draft closer to what it really was, and he knew the what the talent in each round had to offer better than hurney did. if he could find someone that could offer maybe 1-2 years of respectable (not outstanding) production, well he could find a guy that could do that. hurney? oh no we need to find someone with the most prolific highlight reel even if the school he went to was running a gimmick offense bc i didn’t sign anybody in free agency this year and the draft is where i’m adding all my talent.

What are you talking about? Gettleman traded up so often that the Panthers had the fewest draft selections in the league during his time in Carolina. He fell in love with a few select players, and often over-drafted them.

[TheRed]

Vernon Butler out there doing jack poo as usual, but there are fans here who still want to talk about failed draft picks like Keary Colbert from a decade or more ago, lol seriously?