So...this 2019 DL class is scary good

[davos]

2 hours ago, unicar15 said:

Yeah I don’t understand why people are fixated on “43 DE” metrics. The best rushers in the game right now are all Allen’s size or smaller. Mack, Miller, (6’3” 250). Put another 15lbs on Allen and he’s Bradley Chubb’s size. He’d be a great pick at 7 if he’s still there. 

Well to be fair, we run one of the closest things to a pure 4-3 in the NFL and it's antiquated as f*ck.  People will always keep their eyes out for the prototypical 4-3 LDE that check off all the Bs.  

The defenses I find interesting are the multi-front 3-4s and the heavily versatile base 4-3s (Seahawks, Philly, Indy, and also the Chargers [just transitioned])  This is where you see teams deploying big athletic linebackers that can stand a just off the line and pass rush, linebacker sized RDEs, and multi-tech DE/DTs.  I mean, LAC is using Melvin Ingram as a 4-3 RDE right now.  Bradham is a big boy in Philly at WLB, same with Leonard in Indy.  I mean, both of SEA's OLBs are 6'4+ (Wright and Mingo).    

We have hybrid fronts but they're not really that hybrid, we don't have variations behind the line and not much pre snap changes.  None of our DL can stand up and drop back minus Peppers and our LBs are field surveyors/tackle layers who look confused as f*ck this season.  We have 3.5 sacks between Shaq and TD (0) this year.   

[ncfan]

3 hours ago, unicar15 said:

Yeah I don’t understand why people are fixated on “43 DE” metrics. The best rushers in the game right now are all Allen’s size or smaller. Mack, Miller, (6’3” 250). Put another 15lbs on Allen and he’s Bradley Chubb’s size. He’d be a great pick at 7 if he’s still there. 

Allen actual has the "size" you'd like in a 4-3 D 

6'5 260

His issue has zero to do with size.

He has Never played with his hands in the dirt and having to take on OL, handle the run etc.

He was a HS QB and WR who was originally recruited to Kentucky as a WR, then was moved to a Standup OLB.  NFL isnt the place you just get a athlete and switch them to a new position.

 

Mack and Miller are the best right now, and you are right on their size at 245 range, but they are playing 3-4 OutSide LineBackers

Marquise Haynes is a good example, just 10 pounds lighter than Miller and Mack.  He rarely got actived because he doesnt have the size and strength to hold the edge in Run defense and got pushed around.

You cant jist be a 1 decisional DE in a 4-3 D.  You arent having a guy you put in jist for run plays and a guy just for pass plays, because teams can just audible out and run right at that guy or drop back and pass with no threat of a pass rush.  3-4 guys like Mack and Miller are standup and can setup and rush where they choose as a Linebacker.  Whether it be on the edge like most do or shoot around inside.

 

[micnificent28]

15 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Allen is 260, but yes should not be considered as he has never played his hands in the dirt.  Converted WR to standup OLB.

https://ukathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=6473

 

Btw and Gary isnt really higher than many of those guys.  He should be around our range

Draftek https://www.drafttek.com/m/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp

4. Oliver, 5. Allen, 8.Ferrell, 9. Thompson, 10. GARY

CBS https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

3. Oliver, 5. Allen, 9. Ferrell, 10. Thompson, 12. Gary

Draftwire

All listed ahead of him 

Same with draftnetwork

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/06/28/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-database/

 

You rank draft tek and draft network ahead of espn, which scouts inc. and mel kiper are there own separate entities. If u going drafttek and draft network, Walter football has Gary ahead of them as well.

[davos]

13 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Allen actual has the "size" you'd like in a 4-3 D 

6'5 260

His issue has zero to do with size.

He has Never played with his hands in the dirt and having to take on OL, handle the run etc.

He was a HS QB and WR who was originally recruited to Kentucky as a WR, then was moved to a Standup OLB.  NFL isnt the place you just get a athlete and switch them to a new position.

 

Yep.  He's in the mold of a Matt Judon/Bud Dupree.  Funny enough, Bud Dupree came out of the same UK system.  

[CRA]

38 minutes ago, stbugs said:

History is meaningless. Juju is a USC WR, Rodgers is a Tedford QB. Each player will be evaluated on their own but being the best DL in college is what they should be if they are all NFL talents. I’d be more worried if they underperformed and they didn’t appear to against ND who tends to always have good OL.

I wouldn’t say it is meaningless to look at what programs produce and develop great NFL players at certain positions.  

Some history is meaningless.  I mean you can go back too far.   But yeah, certain college programs make certain things work pretty consistently in college.  And it doesn’t always translate to the NFL IMO.  A mean give Chip Kelly a couple seasons in college and he will have RBs destroying folks.   

and Clemson didn’t miss a beat without the best D lineman on the field.  You take any one of those studs out and the DL just does what it does.  That is my point. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

So now that we're in 16th.. what players would be available??  

[davos]

11 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

So now that we're in 16th.. what players would be available??  

Meh we're f*cked now, I spent my energy lol.  

Maybe Derrick Brown (DT) or  Zach Allen (DE) will be in reach but I'm not even sure of their fits in our antiquated defense.