Vote of Confidence

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Humbled-Carolina-Chuck said:

Yeah, we all know you have more knowledge about football than Rivera. Just pls stay in the kitchen. You probably can do that anyways. Stay in the nail salon. Thanks hun

[raz]

3 hours ago, Humbled-Carolina-Chuck said:

Yeah, we all know you have more knowledge about football than Rivera. Just pls stay in the kitchen. You probably can do that anyways. Stay in the nail salon. Thanks hun

so being a condescending sexist from the leave it to beaver era wasn't enough, you used 'hun'?  i think we found iamhubby.  you need to take that shite elsewhere pig.  

[Cavscout]

I'm sure Tepper, as all smart businessmen do, has a long term plan. At least 5 years down the road. He doesn't seem like the type of person to make rash, emotional decisions. Even though he may or may not let Rivera/Hurney go after this year, he likely has an idea of what he wants this team to eventually become and will work in that direction. I base this off of some of his business quotes in the past:

"We keep our cool when others don’t. Don’t listen to all the crap out there." "Those who keep their heads while others are panicking do well." "I can’t worry about backward, I’ve got to look to the future." --David Tepper

While I personally would love to see Cam win a Superbowl, I wonder how his health going forward will affect Tepper's decisions toward his longer term objectives, but I personally doubt Rivera will be here after next season.

 

[MHS831]

20 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'd much prefer to be in a situation of knowing when Tepper has something to say or plans to do something because he tells us, rather than interpreting every move or statement or the implications of no move or statement.

We have no real body of work as an NFL owner to assess the guy by, so I figure I will know what he is going to do when he or someone on his payroll announces it.  As far as a vote of confidence, I'd really prefer if he is giving one, he does it with the person behind closed doors.  No point in saying it publicly because it is going to be spun 50 different ways and it will deprive everyone from our society's most popular physical activity: jumping to conclusions.

We all would like to know what is going on behind closed doors, but speculating and trying to detect a "tell" is part of being a fan.  If I were in court or writing an article for a magazine, I would assume that nothing has changed.  But on a message board, it is OK to do so--part of the "fun" of being a fan.

[Pantha-kun]

I hate the fact that a coach can go 3 years straight with 0 playoff wins and a 11-5 season sandwiched between two 6-10 campaigns and not be on the hot seat,  especially after 2015  

Reality is Rivera has had horrific losing seasons in 5 out of 8 years,  and has done nothing in fixing this franchises winning consistency problem.  

Even in past losing seasons hes hung his hat on finishing strong and doing great in Nov/Dec but were on the brink of a historic collapse where we could potential lose every single game in the last half of the season. 

Im hoping that if he is retained hes on a short leash next year.  

[Sgt Schultz]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We all would like to know what is going on behind closed doors, but speculating and trying to detect a "tell" is part of being a fan.  If I were in court or writing an article for a magazine, I would assume that nothing has changed.  But on a message board, it is OK to do so--part of the "fun" of being a fan.

I don't have an issue with that.  My problem in this case is it is sheer guesswork and a waste of time and brain cells right now (and I have few enough left, although the ones that have survived must be pretty tough by now). 

It's not like when I was growing up in St. Louis and the Cardinals were there, everybody could pretty accurately predict what the owner, Bill Bidwill, would do (speculate on what the tightest thing money wise was and you were on the right track).  Or as I said earlier, speculating on what the McCaskey's are going to do in Chicago was (and maybe still is) pretty easy (much the same logic).  Jerry Jones: find the brashest move possible that pads his ego.  Snyder in DC: search for the stupidest thing possible for a football organization.  Same with the Yorks in San Francisco.  Kraft in New England: pick what will allow Hoodie to pull a rabbit out of a hat.  And the list goes on.  But all those things are based on history and connecting the dots of past decisions and their effects. 

Tepper is brand spanking new to decision making for an NFL team.  Somebody even corrected me on another thread (and properly so) that the articles talking about Steelers' minority owners wanting Tomlin's head did not name or definitively point to Tepper, just some of the minority owners. 

People are basically asserting "all billionaires think this way," or "hedge fund managers all think this other way," or "anybody that spends a couple of billion will do this."  The generalizations are comical, and not based on anything he has or has not done (and I don't think for a second we know what he has said and done behind closed doors).  Then we turn to interpreting what he has not done, when the drop dead date of taking an action has not come and gone, let alone the time where teams typically do make moves.

He's a guy that just sat down at the poker table, has completed his second hand, and not given us any clues as to how he plays or how he might telegraphs his thoughts. 

It could be a lot worse.  We could be dealing with somebody who has already given us enough "how could any sane human being possibly do that" moments.  Picture Al Davis anytime after about 1986. 

With that last thought in mind, I think I need to address some of those remaining brain cells, even though it is 7:40am here.

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I don't have an issue with that.  My problem in this case is it is sheer guesswork and a waste of time and brain cells right now (and I have few enough left, although the ones that have survived must be pretty tough by now). 

It's not like when I was growing up in St. Louis and the Cardinals were there, everybody could pretty accurately predict what the owner, Bill Bidwill, would do (speculate on what the tightest thing money wise was and you were on the right track).  Or as I said earlier, speculating on what the McCaskey's are going to do in Chicago was (and maybe still is) pretty easy (much the same logic).  Jerry Jones: find the brashest move possible that pads his ego.  Snyder in DC: search for the stupidest thing possible for a football organization.  Same with the Yorks in San Francisco.  Kraft in New England: pick what will allow Hoodie to pull a rabbit out of a hat.  And the list goes on.  But all those things are based on history and connecting the dots of past decisions and their effects. 

Tepper is brand spanking new to decision making for an NFL team.  Somebody even corrected me on another thread (and properly so) that the articles talking about Steelers' minority owners wanting Tomlin's head did not name or definitively point to Tepper, just some of the minority owners. 

People are basically asserting "all billionaires think this way," or "hedge fund managers all think this other way," or "anybody that spends a couple of billion will do this."  The generalizations are comical, and not based on anything he has or has not done (and I don't think for a second we know what he has said and done behind closed doors).  Then we turn to interpreting what he has not done, when the drop dead date of taking an action has not come and gone, let alone the time where teams typically do make moves.

He's a guy that just sat down at the poker table, has completed his second hand, and not given us any clues as to how he plays or how he might telegraphs his thoughts. 

It could be a lot worse.  We could be dealing with somebody who has already given us enough "how could any sane human being possibly do that" moments.  Picture Al Davis anytime after about 1986. 

With that last thought in mind, I think I need to address some of those remaining brain cells, even though it is 7:40am here.

Glad to have your brain cells here--I think you doubled the cumulative total on the Huddle--good clarification--I appreciate the unique perspective.

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Glad to have your brain cells here--good clarification

Thank you, sir.  They have survived many years of abuse.

When I was in college, we had a theory that brain cells were like muscle cells.  They needed to be built up (studying) and then tested for endurance (drinking).  Our goal was to build tough brain cells.

[PhillyB]

22 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The key question may not be WHAT DOES TEPPER THINK? but HOW DOES TEPPER THINK?. Remember, Tepper is a numbers guy from Wall Street--he makes decisions about the future based on numbers.  I said this in another thread:

Tepper (at some point) wanted Mike Tomlin fired. That is all we really know about Tepper and personnel decisions, so let's start there.  Tomlin has a very good QB in Pittsburgh who has not always had the highest profile supporting cast.  Yet in 12 seasons under Tomlin, the Steelers have never been below .500.  Tomlin's career win percentage?  66%.

Rivera has the most athletic QB in NFL history and has had a stellar defense for most of his career.  He has had 5 seasons where the Panthers finished below .500 and only 3 where they were above .500.  Numbers guys on Wall Street do not like volatility-it is a sign of instability in the markets--mixed messages.  Five years of losing money vs. three years of solid earnings does not keep you employed long.... RR's win percentage is .555 over his career, which makes it sound as if this is a winning franchise in the RR era, but he has engineered winning campaigns with a good QB just 37.5% of his time as head coach. His overall record is distorted by the three winning seasons where the team won 11, 12, and 15 games.  He has won NFL coach of the year twice (based on his record that year). 

Consistency? Volatility?

When their careers are compared, Tomlin wins 10.5 games per season.   In perhaps an equal situation, Rivera wins 8.75 games per season.  That is a big spread when you consider how many teams that win more than 10 games make the playoffs vs. the number of teams that win 9 games or fewer.

OK now if you analyze more details, you might compare the statistical advantage expected to gain in his appeals along with his clock management decisions. 

So the fact that Tepper has not endorsed Rivera could be significant.  You have to consider how a numbers guy thinks--and how he uses numbers to predict and determine success.

this should be a thread

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Thank you, sir.  They have survived many years of abuse.

When I was in college, we had a theory that brain cells were like muscle cells.  They needed to be built up (studying) and then tested for endurance (drinking).  Our goal was to build tough brain cells.

Heck we don't use most of them any way.  I have actually done brain research in children, and there is an atrophy process that coincides with the distribution of gray matter to certain regions of the brain. (I am an education professor).  My wife has a close cousin who is a research professor at Duke and he has done research to dispel the myth that drinking kills brain cells--regardless, it is bizarre this thread is about Rivera---our case study, I suppose.

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, Humbled-Carolina-Chuck said:

Yeah, we all know you have more knowledge about football than Rivera. Just pls stay in the kitchen. You probably can do that anyways. Stay in the nail salon. Thanks hun

What a dick.  Who the fug do you think you are?  Cookie makes better points that your dumb ass.  This is a personal attack and, since you hide behind ever changing fake names that seem to have given you cyber courage, you will never have to man up and support your dumbass comments--

 

[Carl Spackler]

23 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

I know a lot of people think of receiving a vote of confidence from their boss as basically being fired soon, but how come Tepper hasn't come out in support of Rivera yet? You would think that since their is speculation about Rivera's job security, that Tepper would say something to remove any doubt that his job is safe. We're just hearing Rivera's side of the story that his talks with Tepper have been positive, but we all know Rivera isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Maybe that's just how he interpreted his talks with Tepper. At least we will know for sure soon. 

Thoughts?  

Get ‘em, queen

[Cookie Lyon]

5 hours ago, Humbled-Carolina-Chuck said:

Yeah, we all know you have more knowledge about football than Rivera. Just pls stay in the kitchen. You probably can do that anyways. Stay in the nail salon. Thanks hun

[Little Goody Two Shoes]

22 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The key question may not be WHAT DOES TEPPER THINK? but HOW DOES TEPPER THINK?. Remember, Tepper is a numbers guy from Wall Street--he makes decisions about the future based on numbers.  I said this in another thread:

Tepper (at some point) wanted Mike Tomlin fired. That is all we really know about Tepper and personnel decisions, so let's start there.  Tomlin has a very good QB in Pittsburgh who has not always had the highest profile supporting cast.  Yet in 12 seasons under Tomlin, the Steelers have never been below .500.  Tomlin's career win percentage?  66%.

Rivera has the most athletic QB in NFL history and has had a stellar defense for most of his career.  He has had 5 seasons where the Panthers finished below .500 and only 3 where they were above .500.  Numbers guys on Wall Street do not like volatility-it is a sign of instability in the markets--mixed messages.  Five years of losing money vs. three years of solid earnings does not keep you employed long.... RR's win percentage is .555 over his career, which makes it sound as if this is a winning franchise in the RR era, but he has engineered winning campaigns with a good QB just 37.5% of his time as head coach. His overall record is distorted by the three winning seasons where the team won 11, 12, and 15 games.  He has won NFL coach of the year twice (based on his record that year). 

Consistency? Volatility?

When their careers are compared, Tomlin wins 10.5 games per season.   In perhaps an equal situation, Rivera wins 8.75 games per season.  That is a big spread when you consider how many teams that win more than 10 games make the playoffs vs. the number of teams that win 9 games or fewer.

OK now if you analyze more details, you might compare the statistical advantage expected to gain in his appeals along with his clock management decisions. 

So the fact that Tepper has not endorsed Rivera could be significant.  You have to consider how a numbers guy thinks--and how he uses numbers to predict and determine success.

Agree with this. I'd also add that while I believe that Tepper wants to win, he also wants to make money. Being out of the playoff race and missing out on home playoff games means less sales on tickets, concessions, souvenirs as well as less airtime and publicity to grow the fan base. Granted winning and making money go largely hand in hand but just pointing out that Tepper has a different perspective than fans, which just reinforces your point.