Vote of Confidence

[Cookie Lyon]

I know a lot of people think of receiving a vote of confidence from their boss as basically being fired soon, but how come Tepper hasn't come out in support of Rivera yet? You would think that since their is speculation about Rivera's job security, that Tepper would say something to remove any doubt that his job is safe. We're just hearing Rivera's side of the story that his talks with Tepper have been positive, but we all know Rivera isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Maybe that's just how he interpreted his talks with Tepper. At least we will know for sure soon. 

Thoughts?  

[top dawg]

Not the "sharpest tool in the shed?" Rivera may be too loyal and maybe even mealymouthed at tines, but dumb he is not.

In regards to your question, I wouldn't bet anything of significance that Rivera's job is safe. I'd still call it about 50:50 (maybe even 40:60) that he won't last through January. I think that if the unfounded rumor about Jim Harbaugh is true, then it may come down to him. If that's just pure speculation (which it has a high likelihood of being), then I like Rivera's chances a lot better.

[mc52beast]

I haven’t heard one talking head say that Rivera will be fired, they all say he’s safe. You would think that if Tepper was leaning towards firing him that it would have leaked out into the media.

Im going into Black Monday assuming that Ron and probably Hurney are safe for another year.

[Cookie Lyon]

14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not the "sharpest tool in the shed?" Rivera may be too loyal and maybe even mealymouthed at tines, but dumb he is not.

In regards to your question, I wouldn't bet anything of significance that Rivera's job is safe. I'd still call it about 50:50 (maybe even 40:60) that he won't last through January. I think that if the unfounded rumor about Jim Harbaugh is true, then it may come down to him. If that's just pure speculation (which it has a high likelihood of being), then I like Rivera's chances a lot better.

The man is as clueless as it gets when it comes to football.

[Jangler]

I just spent 2.3b, what's buying out a coach and moving on?

[Chaos]

31 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not the "sharpest tool in the shed?" Rivera may be too loyal and maybe even mealymouthed at tines, but dumb he is not.

In regards to your question, I wouldn't bet anything of significance that Rivera's job is safe. I'd still call it about 50:50 (maybe even 40:60) that he won't last through January. I think that if the unfounded rumor about Jim Harbaugh is true, then it may come down to him. If that's just pure speculation (which it has a high likelihood of being), then I like Rivera's chances a lot better.

Don't judge his intelligence based on the population at large, base it on being an NFL head coach.  He's slow to adjust, runs an outdated system, holds on to antiquated methods and is stubborn with who plays and who doesn't.  I'm no Rhodes Scholar and this is just my opinion.  He's a defensive coordinator trying to keep up in an offensive-driven league; he's in over his head.  Not necessarily the case when he was first hired but sure as hell is today.  If you can't change with the times, then you need to go.

[Lumps]

I prefer an owner who is quiet while the season is still going. There will still be guys on the field trying to prove their worth and keep a job and I think Tepper respects that and respects the process. I think we will hear a lot from him when the time is right.

[MHS831]

The key question may not be WHAT DOES TEPPER THINK? but HOW DOES TEPPER THINK?. Remember, Tepper is a numbers guy from Wall Street--he makes decisions about the future based on numbers.  I said this in another thread:

Tepper (at some point) wanted Mike Tomlin fired. That is all we really know about Tepper and personnel decisions, so let's start there.  Tomlin has a very good QB in Pittsburgh who has not always had the highest profile supporting cast.  Yet in 12 seasons under Tomlin, the Steelers have never been below .500.  Tomlin's career win percentage?  66%.

Rivera has the most athletic QB in NFL history and has had a stellar defense for most of his career.  He has had 5 seasons where the Panthers finished below .500 and only 3 where they were above .500.  Numbers guys on Wall Street do not like volatility-it is a sign of instability in the markets--mixed messages.  Five years of losing money vs. three years of solid earnings does not keep you employed long.... RR's win percentage is .555 over his career, which makes it sound as if this is a winning franchise in the RR era, but he has engineered winning campaigns with a good QB just 37.5% of his time as head coach. His overall record is distorted by the three winning seasons where the team won 11, 12, and 15 games.  He has won NFL coach of the year twice (based on his record that year). 

Consistency? Volatility?

When their careers are compared, Tomlin wins 10.5 games per season.   In perhaps an equal situation, Rivera wins 8.75 games per season.  That is a big spread when you consider how many teams that win more than 10 games make the playoffs vs. the number of teams that win 9 games or fewer.

OK now if you analyze more details, you might compare the statistical advantage expected to gain in his appeals along with his clock management decisions. 

So the fact that Tepper has not endorsed Rivera could be significant.  You have to consider how a numbers guy thinks--and how he uses numbers to predict and determine success.

[The Lobo]

It’s a valid question, but I’m putting my answer with the talking heads for the team. Person, Voth and this site even are very reliable and if they say the talk is RR is safe, then, unfortunately, he may be safe. 

[Moo Daeng]

I'm not terribly excited about it but I think he has given Rivera a personal vote of confidence. Just the way Ron seems relaxed at the podium now and the way they are approaching this game.

[thefuzz]

You don't really want your owner talking much during the season...or after for that matter.

 

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

I'm not terribly excited about it but I think he has given Rivera a personal vote of confidence. Just the way Ron seems relaxed at the podium now and the way they are approaching this game.

So do I--watch his actions and mannerisms--a desperate coach would not be scratching Cam, KK, Turner, etc. to see how well players have developed.

[Sgt Schultz]

I'd much prefer to be in a situation of knowing when Tepper has something to say or plans to do something because he tells us, rather than interpreting every move or statement or the implications of no move or statement.

We have no real body of work as an NFL owner to assess the guy by, so I figure I will know what he is going to do when he or someone on his payroll announces it.  As far as a vote of confidence, I'd really prefer if he is giving one, he does it with the person behind closed doors.  No point in saying it publicly because it is going to be spun 50 different ways and it will deprive everyone from our society's most popular physical activity: jumping to conclusions.

[pantherclaw]

Not the sharpest tool in the shed? Not a good coach? 

 I understand not always agreeing with coaches decisions. What I don't understand is openly bashing a man because you don't agree with him.

Most owners don't tend comment about their coaches job security during the season.