Breer believes the Panthers will make no changes

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Panthers2019 said:

defense might had been but Cam and the offense was rolling and was making up for that and had us 6-2 and would had been a sure fire wildcard if not winning the div hell we almost beat the saints anyway with a one arm Cam Newton just think if he was at 100%.

Keeping people in place because of what might have happened if things had gone better is a pretty stupid philosophy.

Part of the reason why Newton is where he is is because of massive mishandling of his injury situation by Ron Rivera.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Panthers2019 said:

most teams would fall like we did if their star qb got hurt thats tough to overcome and I can't put that on Ron or Hurney. 

"We've got a pretty good crime rate if you don't count murders." - Marion Barry

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cam1 said:

That couldn't be more wrong. Why don't you stop posting, you arm chair GM who knows nothing. 

Nah.

[hepcat]

Whoever's decision it was to not sign a competent veteran backup QB should be fired. If that was Norv, he should be fired. Hurney? Fired. Rivera? Fired. All of them? Fired. Single most idiotic decision made last offseason.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Complaining about people making complaints on a message board... 

[WonderBoy]

This is the most historic collapse of a team that started 6-2 in NFL history.  Who cares that Cam was injured, the Redskins & 49ers lost quarterbacks and they still found ways to win the last couple of months.  I can't believe the idea of keeping Hurney & Rivera is even on the table.  If they are kept I have completely lost faith that Tepper could ever be a winning owner.  He either doesn't understand football or he's okay with losing.  Either option makes me physically ill.

[falconidae]

14 hours ago, Panthers2019 said:

we was 6-2 with Cam playing great once he got hurt it changed can't blame Ron and Hurney for their star qb getting hurt cause had Cam shoulder did'n get reinjured we had cruised into the playoffs. 

Or, Tepper may fire him because  may think that the only reason RR was ever better than 500 was because of Cam's ability. That RR ran Cam into the ground trying to win the game in front of him rather  than thinking about future games and seasons. That going from 6-2 to 6-10 is proof that RR isn't a great coach. That the only way Rivera can win is to have transcendent talents like Cam and Luke bailing him out.

 

I obviously don't know Rivera personally, and he seems like a genuinely good guy, but think there's plenty of evidence that he's not the best coach in the league. 

[steven8989]

2 hours ago, Panthers2019 said:

most teams would fall like we did if their star qb got hurt thats tough to overcome and I can't put that on Ron or Hurney. 

So your risk ur $100 million investment and his career? That's all on Ron and he was playing him to keep his job. Man there is a bunch of morons on this site. Sometimes I wonder if some of the Panthers organization runs this forum.

[steven8989]

2 hours ago, Hammerin'Cam1 said:

That couldn't be more wrong. Why don't you stop posting, you arm chair GM who knows nothing. 

Sorry but ur wrong and a moron. Ron played him to save his job. If nobody knows that then you don't know football. They ran Newton into the ground and could have messed his career up.

 

[WonderBoy]

2 hours ago, Panthers2019 said:

most teams would fall like we did if their star qb got hurt thats tough to overcome and I can't put that on Ron or Hurney. 

The 49ers just beat the Seahawks (a playoff team) a couple weeks ago with a 3rd string quarterback.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Whoever's decision it was to not sign a competent veteran backup QB should be fired. If that was Norv, he should be fired. Hurney? Fired. Rivera? Fired. All of them? Fired. Single most idiotic decision made last offseason.

What vet qb did you have in mind? Derek Anderson? 

Even if there was a good backup qb availabe, we didn't have enough money to sign the qb. We had 20 million to spend - signing him would mean we neglected another position and some huddlers would  make threads about not addressing that need.

[Ernesto McGillicuddy]

3 hours ago, trueblade said:

Despite what you might think, every NFL owners is smart. They had to be to make enough money to afford teams.

You don't have to be very smart to inherit money.

Only a minority of NFL owners are self-made. Blank, Bisciotti, Pegula, Tepper, Khan, Snyder, and Ross (sort of). Kraft is borderline. Then there's these guys:

Cardinals: Bill Bidwill, and now, effectively, Michael Bidwill
Bill made the ingenious business move of being born, and inherited the team from his father, who literally bought it on a whim during a luxury yacht cruise - a tactic still revered by business writers and consultants. Michael will inherit it from Bill, having also made the ingenious move of being born.
Self-made factor: Zero

Bears: Virginia Halas McCaskey
Virginia, through her exertion, hard work, and ingenuity, was born on January 5, 1923. She would go on to inherit the team. Her sons, Michael and George, are currently pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and may inherit the team after she dies, but only if they work hard and prove themselves worthy by making THE BEST DEALS. Alternately, if they are breathing.
Self-made factor: Zero

Raiders: Mark Davis
Having spent nine months in the womb as a precocious business genius, the young savant popped out onto the business scene in 1955, ready to kick ass and take names. Later, through a series of cunning business moves such as breathing, not dying, and still being alive, he inherited the team from his father. Ever wondered why he wears his hair like that? It's to hide his giant business brain.
Self-made factor: Zero

Bengals: Mike Brown
Mike Brown's long, nine-month struggle to be born was finally rewarded when he inherited control of the team from his father years later. 
Self-made factor: Zero

Browns: Jimmy Haslam
In a coincidence still remarked upon today, young Jimmy turned out to be the best and most qualified candidate for a series of increasingly senior jobs in his father's truck-stop empire. In fact, he was such a prodigy that he won a seat on the board of directors while still a college sophomore, attending board meetings of a multimillion-dollar company in between bong hits. Upon taking the top role in the company, he pioneered clever business tactics like openly cheating his customers and then buying his way out of a prison sentence.
Self-made factor: Was at least along for the ride in the later stages of the building of his father's empire.

Cowboys: Jerrah Jones
Jerry built an oil empire using one clever, super-smart advantage that kept him ahead of his competitors: His father was a multimillionaire and he had easy access to capital. He also invented the cotton gin.
Self-made factor: At least built his own businesses and expanded on his father's wealth. A bit unfair to list him with these other clowns, but he's still a silver spoon baby.

Broncos: Pat Bowlen
At age zero, young Pat made the savvy business move of being born into a family of oil magnates worth hundreds of millions. This is the money that was, much later, used to buy the team.
Self-made factor: Zero, as regards buying an NFL team. He did, however, become a modestly successful lawyer in his own right.

Lions: Martha Firestone Ford
25 years before she was born, Martha had the foresight to found the Firestone tire company. Later, she had the presence of mind to marry a fellow captain of industry, William Clay Ford. I haven't bothered to look up the details, but one assumes that his fortune was derived from brilliant business expertise, and that being the grandson of Henry F*cking Ford is merely a coincidence, a piece of trivia.
Self-made factor: Look at her name - a regular Penelope Rothschild-Rockefeller. I made Penelope made up but she would probably be a better owner.

Colts: Jim Irsay
Having beaten the odds - rising up to the status of an NFL owner from a hardscrabble background as the son of a billionaire NFL owner - Jim sadly still went on to become a crackhead, proving that poverty is no easy trap to escape.
Self-made factor: Zero as regards being an NFL owner, quite significant as regards becoming a crackhead.

Chargers: Dean Spanos
Natus est, vidi, vici: He was born, he saw, he conquered. Having made his fortune through the brilliant business coup of his father knocking up his mother, he promptly retired from the business world and never used his beautiful mind again.
Self-made factor: Zero point zero

Vikings: Zygi Wilf
After earning his law degree, young Zygi floundered for a time as a mere lawyer before hitting upon the shrewd idea of instantly becoming an executive in the family business, which happened to be massive real estate empire. It is unclear whether the $600 million he used to buy the Vikings came from his earnings as a nonpracticing lawyer or from his family's multibillion dollar real estate fortune. Some say the latter, but they are probably bitter nonpracticing lawyers who haven't earned as much money not practicing law as Zygi did.
Self-made factor: He is at least an active and successful executive in the family business, which he did not build.

Steelers: Art Rooney II
In 2017, Art Rooney II achieved his longtime dream of owning an NFL team when his father passed away and left him an NFL team, as his father had done before him. Having cemented his place in the family business of being born and/or dying and passing property between generations, he can be called a "self-made man" in the sense that a baby sort of "makes itself" by reading DNA code while in gestation.
Self-made factor: Being born is harder than you think. Could you do it again if you tried? I rest my case.

Jets: Woody Johnson
Woody, at a precocious negative nine months of age, proved his business acumen by being the only one of millions of spermatazoa to successfully fertilize a certain very important egg belonging to a woman who was banging, like, a ninth-generation heir of the Johnson & Johnson company. Do you have any idea how many people aren't born? Trillions. For the average spermatozoön, their career in business ends in a tube sock or a Kleenex or a Fleshlight. Not Woody! That's what it means to be a master of business: Beating the odds.
Self-made factor: Master of business.

Rams: Stan Kroenke
In 1974, Stan invented the innovative business concept of marrying Ann Walton. Later, he pioneered the concept of using inside information on the location of new Walmart stores to make an easy killing by buying up adjacent lots and developing them. He met Ann on a skiing trip in Aspen, being "already wealthy from real estate" by virtue of his own efforts father.
Self-made factor: Similar to lottery winners. At least they bought a ticket, right? In fairness to Stan, he's made himself more money than he would have done by just sitting around, but he'd be a billionaire either way. At a certain point it's not business savvy; it's just greed.

Saints: Gayle Benson
Proved her business acumen, in a way, by marrying a billionaire in 2004. In previous decades, while married to a different man named "T-Bird" (surprisingly, not a billionaire), she ran an interior design business which "struggled financially" and was "sued frequently" and also, y'know, "charged with theft". She was in heavy debt when she married Tom Benson, but has proved more successful in business since then, becoming a billionaire through pioneering business models like her husband dying.
Self-made factor: Probably harder to snag a billionaire than a man named T-Bird, but then again maybe not.

Giants: John Mara, Steve Tisch
Sadly, the business advice book that these two co-authored, How to Make Billions by Being Born, was withdrawn from print after complaints from buyers who tried the method for themselves and didn't get the same results. As we know, some people in this life are just whiners who resent the success of others.
Self-made factor: Mara is a third generation owner, Tisch is second generation mega-wealthy

Texans: McNair family
Demonstrating their business savvy, the members of the McNair family were still alive when Bob McNair (actually self-made!) kicked the bucket, resulting in the 200-IQ strategic coup of inheriting an NFL team.
Self-made factor: Zero

Seahawks: Allen family
See Texans, but the patriarch was less of a sh*thead.
Self-made factor: Zero

49ers: Jed York
Jed, proving himself a quick study, cracked the code to business success on March 9, 1980, which also happens to be his birthday. Happy birthday, Jed!
Self-made factor: Zero, and literally named "Jed"

Chiefs: Clark Hunt
An impoverished street urchin, orphaned and starving on the streets of Calcutta, Clark went to work at age five sewing footballs in a sweatshop and, by dint of fiscal prudence and wise investments, eventually scraped together enough pennies to buy an NFL team. His grandfather, the oil billionaire H.L. Hunt, is surely smiling in heaven. A movie based on his life, Slumdog Millionaire - itself an adaptation of the Clark Hunt biography by Horatio Alger - was released in 2008.
Self-made factor: Next level

Eagles: Jeffrey Lurie
After earning a lucrative doctorate in social policy from Brandeis University, Jeffrey was able to leverage his knowledge of whatever social policy is to join his family's pre-existing $3.7 billion business conglomerate, where he gritted his teeth, buckled down, and earned that return on massive accumulated capital.
Self-made factor: Just another one of those social policy fortunes

Buccaneers: Bryan Glazer and siblings
It seems that there may be a pattern among NFL business mavens - specifically, many of them seem to have explored the low-risk, high-reward business model of being alive when someone else dies, preferably your father, and preferably your father is a billionaire who owns sports teams. It seems like a conservative investment strategy, but perhaps there's something to it?
Self-made factor: Made fortune with pioneering business model. 

Titans: Amy Adams Strunk
Per Wikipedia, an "American businesswoman" whose business ventures include being alive in 2013 when her father died and appearing in his will. Runs multiple businesses - so efficiently, in fact, that she is able to run over a dozen massive businesses while working a two-hour week. Is this the future of the "American businesswoman"? I say yes.
Self-made factor: Have YOU ever appeared in a will? Didn't think so.

Green Bay Packers
A bunch of fat blowhards in Wisconsin inheriting made-up bullsh*t shares from other fat blowhards in Wisconsin.
Self-made factor: They have only themselves to blame.

[YungHamm]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, I remember when Hurney drafted McCaffrey, Samuel and Moton.

"Studs" aren't enough. Every team in the league has "studs". It's the roster you build around them that makes the difference.

Marty Hurney is terrible at building complete rosters. Hence, why the Panthers only have three winning seasons under twelve years of his leadership.

This team's roster is complete. It's the coaching that has a hard time getting the talent on the field and developing.  If you think Every team has multiple Hall of Famers/Honorable mention (studs) on the roster then I can't debate with you. I will disagree though

[Fox007]

Yup Tepper could be JR jr.