2019 cap space and possible cuts

[Rubi]

On 12/26/2018 at 6:25 PM, Trill OG said:

This make sense on Madden, but in reality LB is probably the least important position on defense.

This game is a passing game, it's all about pass rush Dline and lock down DB's.

Kuechly is one of the best players in the league. It’s not even a debate really. He’s a game changer. Everyone around him has been sub par for the most part this year. 

[Trill OG]

5 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Kuechly is one of the best players in the league. It’s not even a debate really. He’s a game changer. Everyone around him has been sub par for the most part this year. 

Im not saying he is not great. Of course he is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. Im saying his position is not as valuable as DE or DB. That's all im saying chill.

[Smithers]

I’d keep Cockrell...he has a chance to be a quality player for this team.  His injury sucked big time this year.  

 

[Rubi]

15 hours ago, Trill OG said:

Im not saying he is not great. Of course he is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. Im saying his position is not as valuable as DE or DB. That's all im saying chill.

Addressing the Carolina Panthers he’s the only player that should be a lock at this point. All options are in the table regarding every other player. 

[MillionDollarCam]

As bad as Poe has been, saving $2.7M on the cap isn’t really going to help us replace him.

The smart decision is to keep both Short and Poe, re-sign Love, and draft someone like Isaiah Buggs in the third. Obviously we will also still have Butler as well because of his contract.

This gives the Panthers some flexibility if Poe doesn’t improve into next year and while Poe may not be worth his contract, you aren’t going to be able to replace him with just a $2.7M savings on the cap.

I believe we are sitting at round $26M right now in cap space. Smith, Cockrell, Searcy, Munnerlyn, and Seymour can all be cut to open up around $13M in cap space.

Take that $13M and throw it at Frank Clark, re-sign Peppers to a cheap one year deal, and draft Jaylon Ferguson in the third (with the comp pick).

So now you are looking at a defensive line of:

LDE: Addison, Ferguson, Haynes

DT: Short, Love, Butler

DT: Poe, Buggs

RDE: Clark, Peppers

A simple retool that has the ability to provide immediate results.

[MillionDollarCam]

11 minutes ago, bull123 said:

That DL looks lousy to me...not much improved from what we have 

got to replace Poe...he totally sucks...that’s a key 

 

I don’t think that will happen unless they do it with their first round draft pick. 

Poe has been average but to replace him with someone better you are looking at shelling out a 5 year/$50M, something we just won’t be able to afford.

Personally, I think bringing back Daryl Williams is a must and expect his cap hit to be around $8M for the season. I’d also love to add Clark as he is coming into his prime but you are looking at a potential cap hit of $13M. That leaves the Panthers with $19M to fill out the roster.

We could also address the DT position earlier and draft Oliver. 

So now the line looks like:

DE: Addison, Draft Pick, Haynes

DT: Short, Love, Butler

DT: Oliver, Poe

DE: Clark, Peppers

I personally think finding an elite pass rusher is more important than replacing Poe right now. Give him another go and if it doesn’t work out then cut him next year when he saves $10M on the cap.

 

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, bull123 said:

This draft is loaded with DT maybe we get lucky in 3rd or 4th round

but i do agree that DE and OL are priorities in draft

maybe since Lawrence is a juicer he falls and we steal him in 2nd

 

I’d love Lawrence. I hope that under Tepper we will take a chance on some of these players as long as it’s not violence related. They’re just kids and all make mistakes, it’d be nice to be one of the teams to give them a second chance.

[TheSpecialJuan]

3 hours ago, bull123 said:

That DL looks lousy to me...not much improved from what we have 

got to replace Poe...he totally sucks...that’s a key 

 

Debbie Downer 

[ImaginaryKev]

In 2016 Kalil and Williams were decent at tackle. We might need to try to squeeze a healthy year out of him and put a premium on replacing his brother on the OLine and finding a permanent spot for Moton (which i think is on the left side at guard). I mean, i want him gone too but if the cap hit makes it impossible then more reason to hate Dave Gentlemen i guess

[Pimpdaddy]

22 hours ago, stbugs said:

My only thing on Short is $17m cap in 2019 and $18m cap in 2020. He hasn’t really been bad by most measures but he certainly isn’t worth the salary he’s at. That said, we can get rid of Poe as a post June 1 and save $16m the next two years instead of Short (we can save $23m). I guess Short for 2019 and then cut in 2020 if he’s declining again.

but these fat fks kept the most prolific offense out of the endzone..howd that happen....that was an epic feat for our D this year...they have it in them...why is it not consistent...

[Pimpdaddy]

22 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Coaches suck? Also, if you haven’t noticed, the Saints haven’t been rock solid lately. They are lucky to not be 1-3 in the last 4 including a come from behind win against Tampa.

Also, they did score a TD against us unless you didn’t watch and just thought it was 4 FGs. 

ur right...i tend to forget a lot about shtyy games..

[AU-panther]

On ‎12‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 9:36 PM, MillionDollarCam said:

Kalil can and should be released.

His dead cap hit is $14.7M for next year, but obviously that will be split over two seasons... $4.9M next season and $9.8M the following season as he would be a post June 1st cut.

If he’s on the roster next year his cap hit will be $12.1M. So we actually save just over $7M ON THE CAP NEXT YEAR by cutting him POST JUNE 1st as his dead cap hit would now be $4.9M instead of the higher actual cap hit of $12.1M should he remain on the roster. The following year his dead cap hit would go up to $9.8M which is what it would be regardless if we wait to cut him until 2020 (if he was cut before June 1st).

Ultimately the team saves just over $7M on the cap by designating him a post June 1st cut in 2019.

However, that $7M can only be used for draft picks and in season signings.

Sure, they could hold on to Kalil and cut him in 2020 and have the entire $9.8M dead cap number applied to 2020 (if he’s cut before June 1st) which would save $6M ON THE CAP IN 2020 (that can be used in free agency)... but designating him a post June 1st cut in 2019 does essentially the same thing other than the fact that his cap savings can’t be used in free agency in 2019.

Because that $7M savings is so high the Panthers could theoretically spend to the cap and then just use the $7M to sign the draft class and make cap tweaks as the year goes on when injuries start to occur. A risky and doubtful move but still possible. Ultimately, the point of cutting Kalil would be to provide in season flexibility.

Basically you have to decide whether or not you want Kalil or the option to sign players throughout the season once injuries occur. It’s a pretty easy choice for me.

Ideally, we should cut him this year and take the savings and just understand it’s a wash in 2020 when the dead cap hits would be identical should be cut in 2019 or 2020, the only difference being how the money can be used in 2019.

The other option would be to cut Kalil post June 1st in 2020, but that option doesn’t help or make sense so I won’t even discuss it.

In regards to cutting Kalil, ^this is a good explanation of how June 1st cuts work.

People get confused about dead money.  It is a sunk cost, you aren't getting any of back by keeping a player another year.  At times you can lose cap space by releasing a player because all of their dead money accelerates into the current year or at worst over 2 years which is the post June 1st cut referenced above.

Here is another way to look at the question of whether you keep a player or not financially.  Look at cap space consumed if you let them go, and cap space consumed if you keep them another year.  Don't even worry about June 1st cuts and spreading it out.

In the case of Kalil, if we cut him this offseason he will have a cap hit of $14.7m.  If you want to spread that out over two years you can, but not really relevant to what I'm trying to explain here.

If you cut him the following year, your total cap space consumed will be $12.2m (his cap hit this year) + $9.8m (his cap hit next year based on his dead money) for a total of $22m

Cutting Kalil this summer will consume $14.7min cap space over the next 1 or 2 years.  Cutting Kalil next summer will cost the team $22m over the next 2 to 3 years.

Is Kalil worth an extra $7m for one year of service?  Only question that really matters.

There is one catch to all of this though, his 2019 salary is guaranteed for injury which could render all of this moot.

https://overthecap.com/player/matt-kalil/1793/

[Sub Zero]

I would sign A DE (Frank Clark) and Safety Landon Collins..

Keep Cockrell, Reid, Williams, and Shaq.. Sign Funchess for cheap...

Draft a DE, (Sweat or Gary) Guard/Center, DT, and secondary speed..

[MillionDollarCam]

2 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

I would sign A DE (Frank Clark) and Safety Landon Collins..

Keep Cockrell, Reid, Williams, and Shaq.. Sign Funchess for cheap...

Draft a DE, (Sweat or Gary) Guard/Center, DT, and secondary speed..

Would love to add Frank Clark. Still only 25 and averaging 10 sacks a year over the past three years.