2019 cap space and possible cuts

[catnip]

What if we can offer Kalil an injury settlement ?  How would that affect the cap ?  If he wants to play , I would make sure he is fit to work and maybe try a pay cut or move him  somewhere other than LT .

[Ja Rhule]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

It's one thing if his best play was years behind him. He had 7.5 sacks and another 8 tackles for loss in his first 8 games THIS season (as in literally 2 months ago). You know who else's play dropped off over the past 7 games? Pretty much the entire team's short of McCaffrey. Do the last 7 games reflect a new reality or is it a slump/wear-and-tear after a season of having to carry most of the pass rusher burden? Honestly I can't say for sure but it seems a little premature to throw in the towel on his career when it was just weeks ago he was among the season sack leaders. His play just needs to fall somewhere in the middle and the $10 million will be a reasonable price to pay. 

Just for good measure, if you start with the end of Khalil Mack's DPOY year in '15, he had a 7 game stretch with a total of 1 sack. Seems like he recovered ok from that slump

Addison got basically 50% of his sacks against 1 team or 80% of his sacks against 2 teams.  Does showing up in 2 games worth $10M?

[hepcat]

Matt Kalil will go down as one of the worst signings in the history of the team

[ncfan]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

 

I may need a stud DT in the draft, but I’ve now got $59m in 2019 cap to work with and sign Williams if healthy and maybe a top DE and G/C/S help. Heck there’s a few interesting DTs as well. All that said, I’d be shocked if we dumped Short even though he’s certainly not performing up to the contract this year and I don’t see it getting better. If we keep him then make Poe the June 1st cut and save $6m instead of $13 for Short and save on both in 2020. 

Its insane people jumping all on the Cut KK bandwagon.

 

Has 1......ONE subpar season and everyone wants to cut him.  Heck youbcant even use, got lazy on the fat contract excuse.  Because he had a stud year last season AFTER signing the big deal.

It not a coincidence that him and ALL of our LBs had a down year when Poe was thrown in the mix at NT.  This after our own dam rivals warned us about Poe and didnt even attempt at resigning him.

KK most definitely needs to stay and take a hard look at those around him on the DL.

[Rubi]

I may get crushed for this but if I’m Tepper. Only guy on that list thats untouchable is Kuechly. 

This team needs a total reset I’m afraid. 

[Toomers]

8 hours ago, ARSEN said:

Might want to do a little research.  Just because you want something doesn’t mean it makes sense financially.

  I don’t have to. I’ve known every bit of this the moment the terms were announced when he signed. Your brilliant idea is to give him MORE money, to do nothing. And the.dead cap is the same whether you give him 7M more or not. So with all your “research”, feel free to show me exactly where we come off better in any way? 

 Just because you read something on Sporttac or OTC, doesn’t mean you understand it. Educate me. 

[SCO96]

I’ve read all of the post on this thread. Some I agree with, some I disagree with. But, all of them have been well thought out. I can tell you guys are knowledgeable about our team and want to see it thrive in the future. 

Some huge decisions need to be made this off season and I think we can all agree on this...Marty Hurney does not need to be the guy in charge of shaping the 2019 roster. We need a fresh set of eyes to look at this roster to determine who needs to stay and who needs to go. What has the team done in the past that worked and what hasn’t?  Are we wasting money on bad contracts and subpar performers that could be better used elsewhere? What needs to be done in order for us to finally put together back to back winning seasons and build a contender year in and year out?

Based on his history with the Panthers and his attachment to many of the players on the team, I don’t think Marty Hurney can make the tough choices and build the solid roster we need to perennially contend for an NFL championship.

[Trill OG]

2 hours ago, Rubi said:

I may get crushed for this but if I’m Tepper. Only guy on that list thats untouchable is Kuechly. 

This team needs a total reset I’m afraid. 

This make sense on Madden, but in reality LB is probably the least important position on defense.

This game is a passing game, it's all about pass rush Dline and lock down DB's.

[TheSpecialJuan]

8 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Next year is a re-building year - we will not be very competitive.  This is due to the situation with Cam.  He may play, may sit a year, or he may be done.  Even if he plays, he will probably miss camps and will be out-of-sync and on a pitch count.  Therefore, I believe we take the opportunity to clean house and eat some cap.  We need to get ready for 2020.

1. We will hire a new GM and Defensive Coordinator.

2. Matt Kalil is gone with his 14.5m dead cap.  We will eat the whole thing this year.  Shaq will not be re-signed for 9m.  Olsen, Peppers, R Kalil,, T Smith, TD, and Adams will all retire. Funchess will walk with Shaq.  Captain will be cut for incompetence.

3. If Searcy, Poe, Cockrell, and Addison are healthy, they will play out their contracts.  

4. FA - we will make 1 significant FA signing - Bridgewater 30 million for 3 years, 15 guaranteed.

4. Offense: We will re-sign Williams, move Moton to LT, draft an OG early in the third, and Larsen will play C.  We will also sign a cheap vet possession receiver and draft a TE and T late.

5. Defense; We will draft a DE in the first and a LB in the second - both will start. We will re-sign Reid and draft a corner at the end of the 3rd or beginning of the 4th - probably starting at nickel.  We will draft a DT in the late 3rd/4th and he will get heavy rotation.  We will start at least 3 rookies on defense.

We will win at least 6 games and as many as 10.  Cam will be back full strength in 2020 and the real fun begins.

yes, God 

[MillionDollarCam]

Kalil can and should be released.

His dead cap hit is $14.7M for next year, but obviously that will be split over two seasons... $4.9M next season and $9.8M the following season as he would be a post June 1st cut.

If he’s on the roster next year his cap hit will be $12.1M. So we actually save just over $7M ON THE CAP NEXT YEAR by cutting him POST JUNE 1st as his dead cap hit would now be $4.9M instead of the higher actual cap hit of $12.1M should he remain on the roster. The following year his dead cap hit would go up to $9.8M which is what it would be regardless if we wait to cut him until 2020 (if he was cut before June 1st).

Ultimately the team saves just over $7M on the cap by designating him a post June 1st cut in 2019.

However, that $7M can only be used for draft picks and in season signings.

Sure, they could hold on to Kalil and cut him in 2020 and have the entire $9.8M dead cap number applied to 2020 (if he’s cut before June 1st) which would save $6M ON THE CAP IN 2020 (that can be used in free agency)... but designating him a post June 1st cut in 2019 does essentially the same thing other than the fact that his cap savings can’t be used in free agency in 2019.

Because that $7M savings is so high the Panthers could theoretically spend to the cap and then just use the $7M to sign the draft class and make cap tweaks as the year goes on when injuries start to occur. A risky and doubtful move but still possible. Ultimately, the point of cutting Kalil would be to provide in season flexibility.

Basically you have to decide whether or not you want Kalil or the option to sign players throughout the season once injuries occur. It’s a pretty easy choice for me.

Ideally, we should cut him this year and take the savings and just understand it’s a wash in 2020 when the dead cap hits would be identical should be cut in 2019 or 2020, the only difference being how the money can be used in 2019.

The other option would be to cut Kalil post June 1st in 2020, but that option doesn’t help or make sense so I won’t even discuss it.

[RumHam]

On 12/25/2018 at 8:37 PM, ARSEN said:

We currently projected to have around $25M of cap space with 2019 projected increase

The top 12 earners:

Cam Newton $24M or 13% of cap

Luke Kueckly $17M or 9% of cap

KK Short $17M or 9% of cap

Matt Kalil $12.5 or 6.5% of cap

Mario Addison $10M or 5% of cap

Poe $9.3M or 5% of cap

Shaq Thompson $9M or 5% of cap

Trai Turner $8.8M of 4.6% of space

Greg Olsen $7M or 4% of cap space

Torrey Smith $5M or 3% of cap space

Captain $5M or 3% of cap space

 

Players likely to be released:

Mario Addison 32 years old next year. $7.4M in savings.

Torrey Smith $5M in savings

Searcy $3M in savings

Captan $2M in savings

Crockell $2.4M in savings

We will have around $45-$50M in March to work with.

The way contracts are structured... no one else from top 12 earners can get cut due to dead money for exception of Shaq Thompson and Cam Newton.  If we release Thompson (doubt) and trade/release Cam (highly doubt it). We can have $75-$80M in cap space.  If Tepper wants to go in all out rebuilding mode, that certainly can be an option.

Matt Kalil, Poe, Olsen are all unreleasable in 2019 due to dead money their contracts carrying but all releasable after 2019. 

I think Mario stays and restructures. Torrey, Search, Captain, Poe, Cockrell, Olsen, Davis, Peppers are gone. Shaq restructures or GTFO, same with Short. Post June cut for Kalil. $40 million very possible but we still have too many holes to be a complete team next year. 

[RumHam]

13 hours ago, stbugs said:

Then dump Poe. I just don’t think Short will get better next year and his cap number is insane. I want to dump Kalil 100%. At least Short is a body and will be a real starter. Kalil is just a waste in cash and cap. In that case you’ve got 1 other post June 1st designation. 

Hurney signs Poe with all the red flags and really had a season just as bad as Butler so we just had two Butler's when we could have had a competent corner or safety entering the season. Then signs CJ only to have a ball bounce off his helmet and never see the field then once cut, Ron comes out and says we need to reduce CMC workload even though all damn preseason you said you were going to literally abuse him. Both need to go, but more so Hurney. You will see us resign all these guys and do nothing if Hurney stays here.

[ChibCU]

On 12/26/2018 at 8:25 AM, MHS831 said:

The Kalil contract is the best example of stealing we have since Sean Gilbert.  Had we not reworked that deal, we had an escape clause---what the hell was that about?  I do not care--cut him and eat the dead money--we need the roster spot.

Was Richardson still here when that happened? And was his puppet, Hurney, the GM at the time?

That's your answer.

[Toomers]

7 hours ago, ChibCU said:

Was Richardson still here when that happened? And was his puppet, Hurney, the GM at the time?

That's your answer.

No. It’s actually not close to the answer. 

  There was never an “out” or “escape” like many want to believe. Hurney did the only thing that he should have. That entire fiasco was/is on Gettleman.