Could Christian's success lead to another shattered sterotype?

[PghPanther]

Racial stereotypes exist to begin with because of large scale observations in behavioral characteristics and physical traits/skill sets of large racial population bases..........for instance if you take at random 10,000 Black males between 18-24 yrs old and then take at random 10,000 Asian males between 18-24 yrs old and put them through a 100 yard dash odds are the Black average will exceed the Asians average in performance with a faster mean time...

But we do not assume such large scale observations apply when assessing a specific individual because of the potential of over lap in all aspects of behavioral and physical trait/skill sets between races at the individual level.

The NFL would be foolish to consider anyone for any position based on anything other than performance on the field of play regardless of race or any other presumed stereotype...............and that is the way all of society should work.

 

[SCO96]

17 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Of course they would, though probably in the nickle if you're talking identical measurables to CMC. That's why your entire premise is stupid. There's not some legion of Lilly white super athetes struggling to break through a color barrier to be given a shot to play. Trust, that if there were, every team would have the next great white hype at every position possible. 

I don't know why this question seems to have rubbed you the wrong way. Apparently the idea of a white CB in the NFL is offensive to you. I can see no other reason why you would label my premise "Stupid".

Based on the tone of your reply, I'm pretty sure I'm a good bit older than you. I've watched football since the 1970's. I can remember when there were several white CB's starting in the NFL. No one said that there was a "Legion of lilly white super athletes" struggling to break thru a color barrier. But, no one can deny that there are no white CB's in the NFL right now, not even at the nickel position.

I can remember when Warren Moon won the MVP in the Rose Bowl but wasn't drafted by an NFL team even though it had 12 rounds back then. He had to go to the CFL to prove he could play before any NFL team would give him shot. Many African-american QB's went undrafted or were "advised to switch postions" to play pro ball. The NFL has a history of having stereotypical views when it comes to some things. When I really started to watch games in the late 70's/ early 80's there were two black starters in a 28 team league , Vince Evans (Chicago) and Doug Williams (Tampa Bay). It took a while to get to where we are today.  

I was only asking the Huddlers if they thought teams would be more open to idea of a Caucasian (or for that matter any ethnicity) playing CB in the NFL in the future. Of course that can only happen if they play the position at the high school and college levels.  The questions is "Are some athletes being discouraged because of racial stereotyping".

Most of the replies to the post have been fun to read, yours being a notable exception.

 

 

[Floppin]

The answer is no, they aren't. That's why it's ridiculous. The point you make about white players being more prevalent in the 70s directly correlates to the next point that you made about black QBs buy you fail to realize it. White players have never had any problem rising to the NFL at any position because they're not discrimanted against. The reduction of black discrimantion has allowed for greater competition for white atheletes outside of certain "leadership" positions - QB and MLB - where black players have struggled (until very recently) to break through consistently due to very obvious racism driven biases. There is no stereotype or bias that is preventing white CBs from rising into the NFL ranks. The fact is that any white players that tested similarly and had similar production to any other top tier atheletes would have no problem getting drafted. They are just few and far between. There's tons of reasons for this but none of them are genetic or racial biases. Other than racist coaches at developmental levels funneling the best white players into the aforementioned leadership positions in an effort to preserve them for the whites.

 

[WCUcats]

On 12/25/2018 at 5:22 AM, WarHeel said:

Would love to see the “science” behind your premise.

If you are actually interested then David Epstein wrote a very enlightening book about the subject called The Sport Gene. It examines nature vs nurture when it comes to high profile athletes, and that a high percentage of professional athletes in some sports,  and specifically sprinting can trace there linage back to a handful of African tribes. Here is the Wiki link. It is a pretty well received book receiving high praise from the New York Times and Washington Post. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sports_Gene

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, WCUcats said:

If you are actually interested then David Epstein wrote a very enlightening book about the subject called The Sport Gene. It examines nature vs nurture when it comes to high profile athletes, and that a high percentage of professional athletes in some sports,  and specifically sprinting can trace there linage back to a handful of African tribes. Here is the Wiki link. It is a pretty well received book receiving high praise from the New York Times and Washington Post. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sports_Gene

So you’re citing a Wikipedia page based on a book by an investigative reporter. What credentials does he have as a scientific researcher?

I can actually pull up legitimate research articles on the prevalence of poor health in the form of heart disease and diabetes in the African American population compared to other ethnicities but most of that is geographical tendency over “nature.”

[WCUcats]

11 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

So you’re citing a Wikipedia page based on a book by an investigative reporter. What credentials does he have as a scientific researcher?

I can actually pull up legitimate research articles on the prevalence of poor health in the form of heart disease and diabetes in the African American population compared to other ethnicities but most of that is geographical tendency over “nature.”

No i am not citing a wiki page. I am telling you that if your interested in learning more, a highly regarded book about the subject that cites multiple scientific studies, and interviews with top sports scientists would be a good place to start. 

 

[WarHeel]

32 minutes ago, WCUcats said:

No i am not citing a wiki page. I am telling you that if your interested in learning more, a highly regarded book about the subject that cites multiple scientific studies, and interviews with top sports scientists would be a good place to start. 

 

I’ve read plenty of books, my friend, and my expertise is in the human anatomy, physiology, and biomechanics. 

 

I’ve cut into cadavers and dissected the human body to its core from the top of the cranium to the sole of the foot. I don’t need an investigative reporter to tell me what I already know. That race is but a fraction of a vastly larger picture on human performance in sports.

 

I don’t remember discussing any high level studies on ethnicity being a primary determinant for sports performance during grad school but perhaps you can point me to some.

[USC/panthers_11]

21 hours ago, Floppin said:

People who want to be racist online and support racist ideals by poo'ing on posts probably shouldn't use their legal last names as the profile name. Just saying.

Right, because if someone disagrees with you or another leftist they're racist? Idiot. 

[Floppin]

1 hour ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

Right, because if someone disagrees with you or another leftist they're racist? Idiot. 

No being racist is racist... idiot.

[USC/panthers_11]

6 minutes ago, Floppin said:

No being racist is racist... idiot.

True, and you have came across as the most racist person in this thread. Congrats!

[Floppin]

5 minutes ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

True, and you have came across as the most racist person in this thread. Congrats!

I'm a 35 year old white man  of Scottish lineage from Appalachia with two white children. You're right, I hate whitey. Don't be dumb.

[Ja Rhule]

6 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I'm a 35 year old white man  of Scottish lineage from Appalachia with two white children. You're right, I hate whitey. Don't be dumb.

I met floppin in person.  He’s white as fug.