Argue Hurney’s case

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2 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

So what is the link between Cam and Rivera/Hurney ?  Cam not able to thrive without Rivera holding his hand ?   Really ?  Or without a contract that Hurney writes up ? Your post makes less sense than me after about 12 beers. 

Okay very simply: I would not instigate a major shakeup until our QB is on the way out. It would lead to us taking a step back. In my opinion.

 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

What does that have to do with anything? Thomas is having a good rookie year.

Comp picks are still draft picks. Most picks last 4 seasons. D Williams was our only good pick of 2015.

And after 2 years he wasn’t. Funchess looked like a decent pick until he fell apart this year. That’s the problem. Judging draft picks after one year is often misleading. Good or bad. 

  It sure isn’t a reason to dismiss a history of failure 75% of the time.

  

[Cpt slay a ho]

34 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   Why is it unfair to compare the last 5 years that each was the GM? I would love to hear how this proves your point. And type anything you want to dump on DG. I’ll probably agree with many. I judge a move on merit, not who made it. 

  But please explain how it’s unfair to compare them first. 

once again you're fighting so hard to turn this into a narrative it's not, when did i say it was unfair?? you proved my point because a comparison would be hurney's first 5 to dg's,not flipping it to compare huney's last 5 and no matter how you word it, to dg's first 5 years as a gm. my point from the get go is you're showing basis towards dg, meanwhile i'm keeping it straight down the line, both ultimately were fired and rightfully so, dg sucked less than hurney but that's not saying much 

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1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

once again you're fighting so hard to turn this into a narrative it's not, when did i say it was unfair?? you proved my point because a comparison would be hurney's first 5 to dg's,not flipping it to compare huney's last 5 and no matter how you word it, to dg's first 5 years as a gm. my point from the get go is you're showing basis towards dg, meanwhile i'm keeping it straight down the line, both ultimately were fired and rightfully so, dg sucked less than hurney but that's not saying much 

 So it unfair to compare Hurneys last 4-5years of his 1st tenure to DGs 5 because of why? Hurney was responsible for everything by then. He’d been there 6 years already. And when he had built almost everything, it fell completely apart. Unlike DG, Hurney caused his own problems. And Gettleman had to work through the cap hell he left. So if it’s unfair to anyone, it sure isn’t Hurney. 

  How is stating facts showing bias? Your whole point is “cause I said so” but it’s me and facts that are biased. Sure...go with that. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 So it unfair to compare Hurneys last 4-5years of his 1st tenure to DGs 5 because of why? Hurney was responsible for everything by then. He’d been there 6 years already. And when he had built almost everything, it fell completely apart. Unlike DG, Hurney caused his own problems. And Gettleman had to work through the cap hell he left. So if it’s unfair to anyone, it sure isn’t Hurney. 

  How is stating facts showing bias? Your whole point is “cause I said so” but it’s me and facts that are biased. Sure...go with that. 

Why wouldn’t you compare both first 5 as a gm....that’s the bias 

no one saying it’s unfair but you, just a very very very weird way of comparing to gm’s but have at it 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Why wouldn’t you compare both first 5 as a gm....that’s the bias 

no one saying it’s unfair but you, just a very very very weird way of comparing to gm’s but have at it 

  You said I “cherrypicked “ that criteria as favorable to DG. I compared the two because Hurney had control of the team for the previous 5 years of both time frames. Hurney made us the worst team in NFL. DG has most successful run in team history.  

  My way of comparing GMs is actual success. Yours seems to be whatever fits the narrative. I’m not worried about who cut my favorite player. NFL teams seem to compare Hurney in similar fashion. Or his time off wouldn’t have been spent on the radio. 

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1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  You said I “cherrypicked “ that criteria as favorable to DG. I compared the two because Hurney had control of the team for the previous 5 years of both time frames. Hurney made us the worst team in NFL. DG has most successful run in team history.  

  My way of comparing GMs is actual success. Yours seems to be whatever fits the narrative. I’m not worried about who cut my favorite player. NFL teams seem to compare Hurney in similar fashion. Or his time off wouldn’t have been spent on the radio. 

Again it is cherry picking, why are you not comparing hurneys first 5 to dg’s? The answer you gave is suspect. My way of comparing them is simple, what did they accomplish while they were hired? 

[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Again it is cherry picking, why are you not comparing hurneys first 5 to dg’s? The answer you gave is suspect. My way of comparing them is simple, what did they accomplish while they were hired? 

 Which is exactly what I have always done. Yet you haven’t shown one thing to dispute the large differences in their accomplishments. The only reason my answer is suspect to you is it is the truth. What is false about anything I said?

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

 Which is exactly what I have always done. Yet you haven’t shown one thing to dispute the large differences in their accomplishments. The only reason my answer is suspect to you is it is the truth. What is false about anything I said?

because there isn't a big difference remember when i said one suck less than the other? both have superbowl appearances, nfc titles, etc Dg gets the nod because he's had back to back playoff seasons, won the nfc south 3 times in a row etc, but it's not a night and day difference between the two when comparing accolades.

[Toomers]

16 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

because there isn't a big difference remember when i said one suck less than the other? both have superbowl appearances, nfc titles, etc Dg gets the nod because he's had back to back playoff seasons, won the nfc south 3 times in a row etc, but it's not a night and day difference between the two when comparing accolades.

Now that’s cherrypicking at its best. Those are specifics as opposed to overall performance. And it took twice as long for Hurney. Or does that not matter?  What would be considered night and day. 100% compared to 25%? 

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7 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I am amazed at the amount of people still defending that idiot.

Well he has done a much better job this round in a very, very limited sample. I realize that is a low bar to hit.

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Now that’s cherrypicking at its best. Those are specifics as opposed to overall performance. And it took twice as long for Hurney. Or does that not matter?  What would be considered night and day. 100% compared to 25%? 

that was achieved in his first 5 years...you know just like dg's first 5 years. What is 100%?? what are you exactly fishing for here, please spit it out and save us the back and forth, you've not stated anything proving dg was an exceptional gm....so what exact point are you trying to make here? 

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

that was achieved in his first 5 years...you know just like dg's first 5 years. What is 100%?? what are you exactly fishing for here, please spit it out and save us the back and forth, you've not stated anything proving dg was an exceptional gm....so what exact point are you trying to make here? 

 Who said he was exceptional? I said he’s much better than one specific GM. The one he replaced and cleaned up for.  Yet you claim they are similar. Not much difference at all. But ignore any and all facts that prove otherwise. 

  Welp. Family is here. 

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2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Who said he was exceptional? I said he’s much better than one specific GM. The one he replaced and cleaned up for.  Yet you claim they are similar. Not much difference at all. But ignore any and all facts that prove otherwise. 

  Welp. Family is here. 

Can you not read? I said both sucked, one sucked less than the other but that wasn’t saying much, they are similar, both were gms for the panthers, both got fired, both went to a super bowl. What facts ? You keep debating yourself that dg is better than hurney, when no one is arguing that hurney is better