Argue Hurney’s case

[chbright]

So far, Ron Rivera is the only guy that can get hurndog canned. I'm not sold hurney 2.0 is terrible, maybe mediocre, but until RR goes, we won't know. 

As for doing better than hurney, well there are a host of other once proud franchises that have looked like crap since hurndog was let go last time (or 80%of the time). I'm impressed he keeps hitting in round 1, hit round 2 this year, turned a KB into a flaming 3rd round pick, liked the value CJ Anderson pickup(FU RR!!!!), nutted up with tepper on Reid. But the 2 kickers last year, the line issues that did not get addressed and are a big deal, and no backup after cam (that's not major but who picks the next qb after cam).

I think if you clean house, hurney goes as much as anything not for his job this time, but what he did last time. 2nd while he might be ok as a gm, I'm not sure he is really passionate about it as he really didn't go find another gm role or any for that matter after he got canned last time. Maybe he's just loyal to the Panthers (bless his soul) but again there are other out there that are more passionate out there...  

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You’re changing this into yet the 50th millionth Hurney vs Dg debate that I’m quite frankly not up for since I could care less for both. Cool dg got another job with the giants congrats to him, but some of the moves he made and picks he made before his departure have hampered the team, it is what it is both failed to bring a trophy to Charlotte 

 You brought BOTH GMs into this. Straight from your post. If you didn’t want to compare, you should have left DG out and made any case you want. Don’t get upset if someone takes what you actually type as what you mean. You limped the two together when they couldn’t have been more different. Especially with your criteria of working with Rivera. 

[Smithers]

27 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 If you acknowledge that the year before was superior, what was the purpose of the statement?  What is the long time comment then? 

Because the purpose of the thread is to make an argument as to why Hurney should stay. His draft this year was one of the best this team has had in many years.  Not sure why you are so confused by my statement.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 You brought BOTH GMs into this. Straight from your post. If you didn’t want to compare, you should have left DG out and made any case you want. Don’t get upset if someone takes what you actually type as what you mean. You limped the two together when they couldn’t have been more different. Especially with your criteria of working with Rivera. 

Im not upset I’m annoyed that anytime someone criticizes dg his fan boys swoop in and jump on the sword as if that’s some kind of endorsement for hurney, I didn’t compare I clearly said both sucked, that’s not comparing dgs tenure to hurneys that’s saying both failed in certain areas it’s not proclaiming one better then the other like you have been since you’ve started quoting me. Rivera is the common denominator with both and SOME Issues the team have are due to him not gm. Still don’t get where reading comphreshienson lead you to believe saying both dg and hurney suck is a direct comparison of both....weird flex but ok

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Because the purpose of the thread is to make an argument as to why Hurney should stay. His draft this year was one of the best this team has had in many years.  Not sure why you are so confused by my statement.

 

It’s hard to have one of the best drafts in many years, if the draft the year before was as good or better. Just say he had a good draft if you just want to. But your wording invites comparison to other drafts.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

It’s hard to have one of the best drafts in many years, if the draft the year before was as good or better. Just say he had a good draft if you just want to. But your wording invites comparison to other drafts.

Rate the 2014, 2015, 2016 drafts.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Im not upset I’m annoyed that anytime someone criticizes dg his fan boys swoop in and jump on the sword as if that’s some kind of endorsement for hurney, I didn’t compare I clearly said both sucked, that’s not comparing dgs tenure to hurneys that’s saying both failed in certain areas it’s not proclaiming one better then the other like you have been since you’ve started quoting me. Rivera is the common denominator with both and SOME Issues the team have are due to him not gm. Still don’t get where reading comphreshienson lead you to believe saying both dg and hurney suck is a direct comparison of both....weird flex but ok

See those 5 words. That is bringing in them both into it. In your first post in this thread. So don’t act like I can’t “comprehend” your backtracking ever since. 

  And now I have to be a DG fanboy? Is that it, because you had to deal with facts that don’t support your fantasies. Keep dreaming. I’ve defended both and bashed both and can provide the posts. So save that mess for someone else. 

If it’s all Rivera, why such a difference in results with one and not the other? 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Rate the 2014, 2015, 2016 drafts.

  2014 was rated much higher after one season. So should we go by that. We got 3 starters from 2015. Is that the criteria. Why not 2013? 2016 is bad. That’s not debatable. 

  

[tondi]

Hurney is clearly a JR yes man and I can't imagine any scenario where Tepper wants the previous regime to have any insight whatsoever into what is happening internally with his team. 

[Pazhoosier89]

Would Hurney have a job as a GM with any other NFL team?

If the answer is no  you can't make a case for him.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

See those 5 words. That is bringing in them both into it. In your first post in this thread. So don’t act like I can’t “comprehend” your backtracking ever since. 

  And now I have to be a DG fanboy? Is that it, because you had to deal with facts that don’t support your fantasies. Keep dreaming. I’ve defended both and bashed both and can provide the posts. So save that mess for someone else. 

If it’s all Rivera, why such a difference in results with one and not the other? 

No that’s not,what is so hard to understand about it??? That’s clearly saying that some factors for both gms they are not directly responsible for Rivera is...example, clock management, a. big issue witht his team that neither gm is responsible for, example two lack of aggression, neither are responsible for that as well, choosing who gets playing time or not, Rivera not the gms.

what facts ? You’re the same poster posting the same argument anytime dg tenure is question, you and 3 other posters are the usual suspects every single time, changing everything into a hurney vs dg debate. What difference of results ?? The same winning season losing season pattern? I’m not going to debate you on a dg vs hurney argument when I’ve never uttered one is clearly better or worst then the other

[Glitchh]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

there’s no argument needed, if Rivera goes then he should follow even though he’s done a decent job. Mainly because Rivera should go and we don’t trust hurney with hiring the new coach, at least I don’t. As far as roster building, the guy did the best he could given resources and circumstances. I can only really point to three mistakes made since hurney was rehired, Gano over Butker, Galuden over some of the safety’s still on the board at the time, and not releasing Ryan kalil for some extra cap room. 

You forgot about drafting the wrong WR, drafting a skinny DE, not drafting a guard, not signing a real backup QB and more depth on the D line, and that Galuden thing was just too dumb for more words. I'm betting Ron had something to do with the Gano/Butker thing. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

Hurney's only defense will come black Monday if RR is sent packing. I want to see if he has the brass balls to make the big decision and has the vision to take the team forward.

[GoPanthers123]

Shipping KB for picks, I rest my case.