Josh Gordon Facing Another Indefinite Supspension.. "Steps Away" from Pats

[TheRed]

The NFL somehow couldn't get a hold of the Kareem Hunt footage themselves, but they can end a guys career over marijuana. Pitiful.

[Captain Obvious]

 

More than just weed. 

[Jangler]

3 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

More than just weed. 

and yet weed will get the blame.  

[CatTower]

4 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

 

More than just weed. 

Drug detection times

Please use these figures as a guide only:

• Alcohol: 3-5 days in urine, 10-12 hours in blood
• Amphetamines: 1-3 days in urine and around 12 hours in blood
• Barbiturates: 2-4 days in urine and 1-2 days in blood
• Benzodiazepines: 3-6 weeks in urine and 2-3 days in blood
• Cannabis: 7-30 days in urine and up to 2 weeks in blood
• Cocaine: 3-4 days in urine and 1-2 days in blood
• Codeine: 1 day in urine and up to 12 hours in blood
• Heroin: 3-4 days in urine and up to 12 hours in blood
• LSD: 1-3 days in urine and up to 2-3 hours in blood
• MDMA (ecstasy): 3-4 days in urine and 1-2 days in blood
• Methamphetamine (crystal meth): 3-6 days in urine and 24 - 72 hours in blood
• Methadone: 3-4 days in urine and 24-36 hours in blood
• Morphine: 2-3 days in urine and 6-8 hours in blood

Almost all the heavy drugs are out of your system quickly.  For a guy like Gordon, who works out a lot, probably even quicker.  So, what exactly is it?  

[Harbingers]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It doesn't matter if it's "just weed". It's against the rules, and the same rules apply to every player.

As long as there's rules are in place, you either obey them or face the consequences. Whether or not you think they're fair is irrelevant.

I think that is an outdated train of thought, and here’s my reasoning. 

Canada is now legal at all levels of their government as of earlier this year. Many large companies, dangerous work companies(heavy construction, fabrication, mining, etc etc) have been working for the past 5 years or so how to deal with this issue. How do they identify if someone is high when they arrive to the job. Since it’s nearly impossible to do a Inebriation test with weed. 

Yes, should people being going to those jobs high? Absolutely not. Jobs where you are literally at risk every step of the way. However, they clearly understand it’s far better that the worker goes home, smokes a joint or 3 goes to sleep, in which it will wear off. And goes to work completely sober in the morning. Rather than them hit a bottle of whiskey and still be drunk arriving at work.

They are actually pretty close to a physical test that can prove a person is high going to the job, not just hair/piss/swab from something they may have done a month ago.

Ya, if someone shows up to the practice field or locker room on game day high. Then they should be subject to that rule. But we are nearly federally legal ourselves and it is unfair to a player who likes to smoke a little herb legally in a legal state(Massachusetts) on their offtime. 

Whats more I don’t think people understand the word “medical” because it’s so convoluted because of the substance matter. There are hundreds of thousands if not million of people who use weed as a Medicine. Medicine that actually does them good. We give players serious painkillers at any sign of pain during a game. What’s a little weed in that scheme of things.

To summarize, the NFL needs to get their poo together and figure out how to manage this matter, because you know 60%+ smoke weed and don’t get caught. It’s really not that hard.  

 

[TheRed]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It doesn't matter if it's "just weed". It's against the rules

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

I think that is an outdated train of thought, and here’s my reasoning. 

Canada is now legal at all levels of their government as of earlier this year. Many large companies, dangerous work companies(heavy construction, fabrication, mining, etc etc) have been working for the past 5 years or so how to deal with this issue. How do they identify if someone is high when they arrive to the job. Since it’s nearly impossible to do a Inebriation test with weed. 

Yes, should people being going to those jobs high? Absolutely not. Jobs where you are literally at risk every step of the way. However, they clearly understand it’s far better that the worker goes home, smokes a joint or 3 goes to sleep, in which it will wear off. And goes to work completely sober in the morning. Rather than them hit a bottle of whiskey and still be drunk arriving at work.

They are actually pretty close to a physical test that can prove a person is high going to the job, not just hair/piss/swab from something they may have done a month ago.

Ya, if someone shows up to the practice field or locker room on game day high. Then they should be subject to that rule. But we are nearly federally legal ourselves and it is unfair to a player who likes to smoke a little herb legally in a legal state(Massachusetts) on their offtime. 

Whats more I don’t think people understand the word “medical” because it’s so convoluted because of the substance matter. There are hundreds of thousands if not million of people who use weed as a Medicine. Medicine that actually does them good. We give players serious painkillers at any sign of pain during a game. What’s a little weed in that scheme of things.

To summarize, the NFL needs to get their poo together and figure out how to manage this matter, because you know 60%+ smoke weed and don’t get caught. It’s really not that hard.  

 

You're missing the point.

The whole "how it should be" argument doesn't mean jack sh-t. Everything you just wrote is absolutely meaningless.

Gordon violated the rules as they are now. You can write 800 pages about how it should be different, and then basically wipe your ass with those pages because they don't mean anything. 

Players don't get to base their behavior on "how it should be". They have to live with how it is.

[Gators33319]

Weed has medicinal value and is not addictive. That poo shouldn't even be enough for a suspension.

 

Trust and believe the substance  that Josh can't shake isn't weed, but something much worse like Xans or cocaine.

[CatTower]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're missing the point.

The whole "how it should be" argument doesn't mean jack sh-t. Everything you just wrote is absolutely meaningless.

Gordon violated the rules as they are now. You can write 800 pages about how it should be different, and then basically wipe your ass with those pages because they don't mean anything. 

Players don't get to base their behavior on "how it should be". They have to live with how it is.

It's also against the law to eat Fried Chicken with utensils in Georgia.  It's illegal to throw snowballs in Kansas.  No cursing while driving in Maryland.

[TheRed]

Mr. Scot, if you want to live in the 1950's that's your call, but ease up on the "*gasp* THAT STUFF IS ILLEGAL" silliness.

People here easily forgave players like Thomas Davis getting suspended for PED's, but want to turn around and ban Josh Gordon for life.

I'm not defending him for f*cking up, clearly the guy needs some help beyond just weed, his lifestyle has been an issue, but the hand wringing over the morality of marijuana is cringe. Tone it down.

[Jangler]

1 minute ago, CatTower said:

It's also against the law to eat Fried Chicken with utensils in Georgia.  It's illegal to throw snowballs in Kansas.  No cursing while driving in Maryland.

and yet they give me a spork!

[Jangler]

laws are only a courthouse away...lol

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Mr. Scot, if you want to live in the 1950's that's your call, but ease up on the "*gasp* THAT STUFF IS ILLEGAL" silliness.

People here easily forgave players like Thomas Davis getting suspended for PED's, but want to turn around and ban Josh Gordon for life.

I'm not defending him for f*cking up, clearly the guy needs some help beyond just weed, his lifestyle has been an issue, but the hand wringing over the morality of marijuana is cringe. Tone it down.

Again, that's not the point.

If you want to change things, work to change them.

But until they get changed, you have to obey the current rules. If you don't, then you face the consequences. How you feel about the rules doesn't mean sh-t.

If you're not smart enough to get that, well...

[WarHeel]

For those of you who argued with me earlier this year about Josh, this is why you don’t sign him.

 

Everyone deserves a second chance. Sooner or later those fresh opportunities have to be canceled due to decision making.