Stop defending Cam

[ThatsJustAJ]

3 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

How did Jake play in the SB? I'm not saying I'd take Jake over Cam..but I'd take a young Jake back in a heartbeat if Cam doesnt work out.

 

Lol what kinda strange ass fantasy does this scenario exist?

[KeePounding]

19 hours ago, Smithers said:

I’m the biggest Cam nut hugger out there.  Hell I’ve lost friends over it.  I’ve argued with family to the point that it’s screwed with our relationships. 

But at this point I’ve realized that Cam is not a winning QB.  He doesn’t have the X factor.  Healthy or not, Cam has not had what it takes to come though in the clutch.  This pains  to say as I’ve defended him endlessly for years.  But it’s time to move on.  

If you've defended Cam all these years, I'm confused what he has done to make your mind change right now? Odd timing for you to come to these realizations when an ailment is causing his play to suffer.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I Find it funny cam was on track to beat out his mvp year, gets hurt, one of the rare times in his career and now we should draft his replacement in 2019..... overreaction, get cam healthy, get Williams back and healthy, fix the d line ect

[ForJimmy]

More game winning drives that Aaron Rodgers, but he isn’t clutch because he can’t do it with an injured shoulder? I mean he can be streaky, but so can any qb not named Brady, Brees, or Rodgers....

[Pantera]

Why are people upset about others defending Cam? that's just as lame as the people crying about others criticizing him.

It's okay to have differing opinions, stop being children.

[Chaz McNulty]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

More game winning drives that Aaron Rodgers, but he isn’t clutch because he can’t do it with an injured shoulder? I mean he can be streaky, but so can any qb not named Brady, Brees, or Rodgers....

Lets Cherry Pick one stat that Cam beats an elite QB at.  And it's actually 4th Quarter comebacks.  Rodgers has more game-winning drives.

Why don't you look up career completion % for current QB's.

[Basbear]

Cam CAN be both hurt and playing poorly.

[ForJimmy]

50 minutes ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Lets Cherry Pick one stat that Cam beats an elite QB at.  And it's actually 4th Quarter comebacks.  Rodgers has more game-winning drives.

Why don't you look up career completion % for current QB's.

CLUTCH is the word used. Rodgers is thought of as one of the most CLUTCH QBs. What defines clutch more that 4th quarter comebacks? Looking at game winning drives, Rodgers has 2 more and is 5 years older. Completion % needs to look at distant of throws and drops. I mean he took a team with Ted Ginn, Funchess, and Cotchery to the Super Bowl because he actually had a serviceable line most of the year. 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I Find it funny cam was on track to beat out his mvp year, gets hurt, one of the rare times in his career and now we should draft his replacement in 2019..... overreaction, get cam healthy, get Williams back and healthy, fix the d line ect

Great post. More like “cpt slay a forum”.

this is exactly what needs to happen. Cam will be fine and so will the team next year

[Chaz McNulty]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

CLUTCH is the word used. Rodgers is thought of as one of the most CLUTCH QBs. What defines clutch more that 4th quarter comebacks? Looking at game winning drives, Rodgers has 2 more and is 5 years older. Completion % needs to look at distant of throws and drops. I mean he took a team with Ted Ginn, Funchess, and Cotchery to the Super Bowl because he actually had a serviceable line most of the year. 

Do you really, truly, want to look there.  I think the throws over 10 yards is where Cam lacks the most throughout his career.

 

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Chaz McNulty said:

Do you really, truly, want to look there.  I think the throws over 10 yards is where Cam lacks the most throughout his career.

 

Career completion percentage would put Chad Pennington above Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. My point is there are too many additional factors that completion percentage leaves out. With Shula Cam was throwing on 3rd and long constantly with long developing plays with WRs that can’t get separation and have high drop percentages. When he got Norv I believe Cam was in the high 60s before he got his injury. So completion percentages don’t make you clutch, it could be a qb that just checks down constantly (even on 3rd and long and just accepts the punt). 

[JamesPage]

8 hours ago, Prime said:

We're talking about Our QB here. The face of the franchise for nearly the last decade. The 2015 MVP. Won 2 National championships. Does so much for the community, more than a lot of other players. No off the field issues. An ABSOLUTE ICON. 

 

 

He's hurt. He's a proud man and doesn't wanna sit if he has a choice. He only wants to help. As Cam said, "Nobody wants success for Cam newton more than Cam Newton"... Please guys before you keep trashing him, give him a year or two longer. 

 

By the way, him and Peyton manning are the Lone 2 in NFL history to have 3000 yards in their first 8. You know what that means? Even on down years, he's still great. Please. Stop. 

I get that he's hurt, but he's had 8 years now. He's yet to post 100 QB rating in a season (only has 2 seasons above 90), doesn't complete 60% of his passes and has only one season with a better than 2:1 TD:INT ratio. I'm just not very excited about his future with this team even if his shoulder heals and we get the old cam back. He might be a bit above average at his very best, but considering how much we are going to have to pay him for his next contract it seems like drafting a rookie and distributing the money leaves us with a better chance...

Also, comparing Cams first 8 years to Manning seems a bit disingenuous. Manning's first seasons were in a different era. 3000 yds is nothing these days. It's week 15 now and literally EVERY SINGLE QB in the nfl that has started all the games for his team ALREADY has 3000 passing yds.

[JamesPage]

3 hours ago, Prime said:

Cam has had nothing but bums to throw to since his rookie year. I've never seen another top qb have the lack of help that cam has. I'm gonna point there as the reason some of his stats don't impress you. 

Steve Smith was a bum? Greg Olsen? Ted Ginn?

Sure he didn't have a Randy Moss or Julio type receiver, but there are many qbs that have made do with equally poor receiving corps. Before Michael Thomas showed up Marques Colston was the best receiver Brees ever had... Brady hasn't exactly had a rotation of all stars either. 

Let's look at the receivers that Cam has thrown to that have moved on to other teams:

 

Steve Smith:

with CAR before Cam Newton: 58% catch rate

with CAR with Cam: 57% Catch rate

with BAL: 63% catch rate

 

Ted Ginn:

with CAR with Cam: 52% Catch Rate

with NO: 71% Catch Rate

 

Brandon La'fell:

with CAR with CAM: 59% catch rate

after CAR: 61% catch rate

 

Kelvin Benjamin is the only receiver I could find that caught a higher percentage of passes from Cam than from another qb, and he had basically given up on football by the time he left here. Cam has some amazing qualities that have helped us win games, but accuracy isn't one of them! And looking at QBs that play the superbowl year in and year out, they are completing 65% of their passes and have about 4 rushing yds on the season. We need to find us one of those and move on.

 

 

[JamesPage]

I can't seem to find the edit button, but I just noticed that Greg Olsen actually has a higher catch rate with Cam than he had with REx Grossman and Kyle Orton in CHI.