If you can only fire one,who goes Hurney or Rivera?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

I’ll answer your question, please return the favor. 

I’ll take the playoff season. Getting lucky because you’re division sucks does not equate to the GM doing a great job.

So would you change your tune on Hurney if we had gone to the playoffs every time his teams won 7 games if it snuck us into the playoffs. Or even half the times he managed 7 or more wins?  As you’re well aware 09 and 2010 were the only years he did not manage at least 7 wins.

You're asking whether I'd be happy if we consistently made the playoffs?

Seriously?

[TPanther920]

2 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Hurney. 

He's had a better 2018 than Rivera, but if you are going to remake an organization, you start at the top and work your way down.  Otherwise, you are eventually saddling a new GM with a coach he didn't pick, may not want, and may not see eye to eye with.  That just prolongs the transition process. 

My underlying assumption is that a some point in the next year or two, both will be gone, anyway.  It takes a good GM to survive an ownership change, and I don't think Hurney is on that level.

 

I don't like the possibility of Rivera being kept but what you say makes sense.....

Rivera hasn't shown any ability to change. He refuses to acknowledge the NFL of today is different than even 5 years ago. He doesn't know how to score points for 4 quarters. He refuses to change Defensive philosophy. He refuses to play talent over veterans. He refuses to change his game plan once a game starts.  We are screwed.

[ncfan]

18 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Lol, Benewikere started 6 games as a rookie. He did well late that season but he wasn't on Jackson's level. Jackson has been a top 20 rookie. Bene then had a bad 2015 in the slot and followed that season with the infamous Julio game. He was never heard from again.

Armah doesn't do much. Any FA FB can do what he does. Do we even use a FB outside of first & goal on the 1.

Bradberry is average. I don't expect him to be back after 2019. We can do soo much better.

We'll see 

Nothing against Jackson, but lets pump the brakes until he has back to back seasons

Facts are facts: Bene graded out as the top rookie DB, something Jackson wont do.  He was unanimous first team all rookie team, we'll see if Jackson does that. 

Oh, and those "6 starts" he graded out the #1 or 2 OVERALL not rookies, ALL CBs in those starts.  Thus reason all draft redo's following the season, he was going top 20, top 15

 

Bene had a dam good start to the next year, as he and Norman were one of the better CB DUOS in the league.

He broke his leg in that shutout drubbing of Atl, he never recovered, came in out of shape and yes he got destroyed Julio.

Yes I think Jackson will end up better, but its hard to bite the Bene bust bullet as injury derailed his career

 

[Car123]

22 minutes ago, ncfan said:

He got beat in preseason, was avg in camp, and essentially won the job by default in camp

No he didn't. I remember our defense being solid. #27 was the player getting beat.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Tepper isn’t going to hold Hurney’s First stint against him like most on here that we’re here for it, so no brainer would be to fire Rivera. Hurney has done a good job so far his second time around and I’m fine with him as a place holder until the right candidate comes along.

[ncfan]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Cam, Kuechly, Rivera didn't hit their prime yet.

Cam was setting recorda as a rookie as was Luke.  Both were dominant. 

Thats one of the dumbest comp outs ive heard from Hurney defenders

Im guessing it had nothing to do with guys like Ginn, Coleman (NFL int leader in 2015, Otah who was a probowl alternate, etc)

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

We'll see 

Nothing against Jackson, but lets pump the brakes until he has back to back seasons

Facts are facts: Bene graded out as the top rookie DB, something Jackson wont do.  He was unanimous first team all rookie team, we'll see if Jackson does that.  Bene had a dam good start to the next year, as he and Norman were one of the better CB DUOS in the league.

He broke his leg in that shutout drubbing of Atl, he never recovered, came in out of shape and yes he got destroyed Julio.

Yes I think Jackson will end up better, but its hard to bite the Bene bust bullet as injury derailed his career

 

That leg break absolutely derailed Bene's career. He was a completely different player after that.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

No he didn't. I remember our defense being sold. #27 was the player getting beat.

Our D was solid that game.

But had nothing to do with him

That was the 1 game this season Poe got in the backfield and the DL controlled the LOS

If I remember correctly there were a few wide open misses and drops in the passing game. For them. 

Again dude was a jag in camp and won the spot by default.  He wouldnt start for 30 other teams 

[panther4life]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are 53 impact players on a team, 45 of them active on a given game day.

You can try to credit a dozen guys for all the success of the team if you want, but the funny part about that is those dozen guys would actually be among the first people to tell you that you're wrong.

 

You make a fair and valid point here. My problem with Gettleman is he has 0 formula for sustained long term success. That argument is backed by the fact that he never achieved back to back winning seasons and at minimum would have need 6 seasons to attempt it.

In 2015 he knocked it out the park with the additions of Tillman, Ginn JR, Michael Oher and Jared Allen. 

However none of them returned for 2016 and his attempts at replacing them failed as reflected in our 6-10 season. 

Same thing happened in 2013, the only time we won over 8 games with him as the GM. He added 4 good players to the existing core. Mike Mitchell, Tedd Ginn, and added Star and Short in the draft. However he failed in replacing departing players the next year,especially Gross.

He just didn’t do what it takes to improve us for the long haul. Mainly because his free agent additions either busted or were 1 year deals.

If I was a Giants fan, id certainly hope he learned from this, just as I Hope Hurney has learned from his previous mistakes.

[raz]

rivera. for sure.  bye bro.

[ncfan]

9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Tepper isn’t going to hold Hurney’s First stint against him like most on here that we’re here for it, so no brainer would be to fire Rivera. Hurney has done a good job so far his second time around and I’m fine with him as a place holder until the right candidate comes along.

This aint his first stint though

I really feel like many here jumped on the bandwagon after Cams rookie year.

His first stint was when he drove this organization into the ground and we were drafting #1

He got F I R E D, and didnt  even get a sniff of a phone call from any other team which says something.

His buddy brought him back when he fired Gettleman right before Training camp, which was chitty timing.  Then midway through that first season back, the Jerry mess arose.  He wasnt going to fire him in that mess, nor I think he was going to fire him at all. 

Tep wasnt going to come right in and clean house his first season.  So Hurney was safe then.  Now its seasons end.  This team still doesnt win under Hurneys regime, which isnt some coincident.  

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Don't give a flip about Gettleman, he's gone.

I do care about the future of the Panthers.

 

Marty's body of work as GM is mediocre at best (Hey, let's just ignore that previous decade of failure).

This off season will be one of the most critical times in the team's history. 

Hurney should not be allowed to oversee next year's draft or select our new head coach.   

Allowing someone like Marty, with a track record of mediocrity and failure, determine the Panther's future is utter madness.

[panther4life]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're asking whether I'd be happy if we consistently made the playoffs?

Seriously?

So that’s a resounding yes from you. There you have it folks, if Hurneys teams would have been able to limp into the playoffs every time we won 7 games, Scot would turn in to a Hurney advocate. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panther4life said:

You make a fair and valid point here. My problem with Gettleman is he has 0 formula for sustained long term success. That argument is backed by the fact that he never achieved back to back winning seasons and at minimum would have need 6 seasons to attempt it.

In 2015 he knocked it out the park with the additions of Tillman, Ginn JR, Michael Oher and Jared Allen. 

However none of them returned for 2016 and his attempts at replacing them failed as reflected in our 6-10 season. 

Same thing happened in 2013, the only time we won over 8 games with him as the GM. He added 4 good players to the existing core. Mike Mitchell, Tedd Ginn, and added Star and Short in the draft. However he failed in replacing the departing players, especially Gross.

He just didn’t do what it takes to improve us for the long haul. Mainly because his free agent additions either busted or were 1 year deals.

If I was a Giants fan, id certainly hope he learned from this, just as I Hope Hurney has learned from his previous mistakes.

Completely reversed, actually.

Gettleman had a long range plan right from the start and talked about it plenty. He actually talked after the first season about being surprised because they won more games than he expected.

Hurney has actually been one to adjust in a year by year basis. Hence, why we we're constantly maxed against the cap.