If you can only fire one,who goes Hurney or Rivera?

[panther4life]

Why on earth do some people insist on pretending 2014 was a successful season. 7-8-1 is not good, even if it’s the best in a down year for the division and sneaks you into the playoffs

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Who are these Gettleman guys? Kalil, Adams, Short, Mayo, Butler. Most of his players are a hinderance to the team. The only good Gettleman players are CMC, Moton, DW, and maybe Samuel.

Best WR - Hurney guy

Best TE - Hurney guy

Best DL - Hurney guy

Best CB - Hurney guy

Best S - Hurney guy

Best LBs - Hurney guys

Seriously how many positions did DG upgrade?

See, the thing about football is that rosters have 53 players, and it's the entire roster that wins or loses.

I can show you a copy of the rulebook if it'll help.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

As long as he isn't allowed to trade next year's first round pick away it might just work.

Then again, when you're someone picking early every other year, it tends to make your picks look a whole lot better. 

Chris Gamble was drafted #28. DeAngelo Williams was #27. Jon Beason #25. 

Hurney is hot trash overall, but I gotta give him credit where credit is due and the guy is damn good at making those 1st round picks. Makes you wonder if he didn't invest way too much time and resources to that 1st round pick and not nearly enough into the rest of the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

LOL! It's legit comical how heated you get over the Gettleman/Hurney stuff. I guess in your blind rage, you missed my first post in this thread.

I'm neither "heated" nor in a "blind rage". Football arguments don't make me emotional.

(football games occasionally do)

I do roll my eyes sometimes at an argument that I think is silly, but at least where I'm from, eye rolling doesn't count as "blind rage". 

 

[hepcat]

41 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Solid moves this offseason?

Poe, CJ Anderson, Searcy, Smith and his 5 mil contract  were great moves weren't they?

Searcy was fine until he got hurt, and Cockrell would have made a huge difference had he stayed healthy, can't fault Hurney for those. You have a point with Poe, he's underperformed for sure. Honestly we don't know what impact Torrey Smith has had. He hasn't delivered too much on the field but he's well known to be a leader off the field, so he might have had a hand in the development of Samuel and DJ Moore, so I can't sneeze at that. CJ Anderson is the ultimate head scratcher though, but that didn't really cost the team much.

Overall I'd give his FA crop a C+, draft is an A-. Pulling down three starters and more potential role players is a very solid draft. That's enough for me to keep him for another season. No GM bats .1000. I'd personally like fresh blood from top to bottom on this team but the question was which would you rather keep, and I voted for Hurney for reasons stated.

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Chris Gamble was drafted #28. DeAngelo Williams was #27. Jon Beason #25. 

Hurney is hot trash overall, but I gotta give him credit where credit is due and the guy is damn good at making those 1st round picks. Makes you wonder if he didn't invest way too much time and resources to that 1st round pick and not nearly enough into the rest of the draft.

I think Hurneys biggest problem in the draft after round 1, is he does his absolute best to fill positions of need as to not have any holes on the roster. Problem is when he does that he veers from his safe player mentality and gambles on the best position of need( hence passing on more sure thing prospects at other positions). 

If he makes it back next year, I feel confident he’s seen the error in his ways and the 2018 draft proves that. 

[Car123]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

See, the thing about football is that rosters have 53 players, and it's the entire roster that wins or loses.

I can show you a copy of the rulebook if it'll help.

You can't win the super bowl without impact players. How many impact players did DG give us? One or two. Almost all of his players are JAGs.

[Car123]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Chris Gamble was drafted #28. DeAngelo Williams was #27. Jon Beason #25. 

Hurney is hot trash overall, but I gotta give him credit where credit is due and the guy is damn good at making those 1st round picks. Makes you wonder if he didn't invest way too much time and resources to that 1st round pick and not nearly enough into the rest of the draft.

Gamble was #31.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

You can't win the super bowl without impact players. How many impact players did DG give us? One or two. Almost all of his players are JAGs.

Yet we won more games with those "JAGs."

It's almost as if the overall roster matters 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm neither "heated" nor in a "blind rage". Football arguments don't make me emotional.

(football games occasionally do)

I do roll my eyes sometimes at an argument that I think is silly, but at least where I'm from, eye rolling doesn't count as "blind rage". 

 

I just think you're trying to attribute arguments to me that haven't been made. I didn't want Hurney rehired and I do want him fired. But, just like throughout the Panthers' history, we never could find consistency under Gettleman either. Gettleman's teams went 12-4, 7-8-1, 15-1, and 6-10. By comparison, the Panthers went 7-9, 11-5, 7-9, 11-5 in Hurney's first four years. Gettleman was 40-23-1 through his first four years. Hurney was 36-28. Both went to one Super Bowl and lost. Neither produced back to back winning seasons.

Gettleman was off to practically the same start Hurney had, yet many seem to think he was some tremendous GM. I don't get it. Both have clear flaws and I'll be glad to (hopefully) move on from both in a few weeks.

[ncfan]

7 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Searcy was fine until he got hurt, and Cockrell would have made a huge difference had he stayed healthy, can't fault Hurney for those. You have a point with Poe, he's underperformed for sure. Honestly we don't know what impact Torrey Smith has had. He hasn't delivered too much on the field but he's well known to be a leader off the field, so he might have had a hand in the development of Samuel and DJ Moore, so I can't sneeze at that. CJ Anderson is the ultimate head scratcher though, but that didn't really cost the team much.

Overall I'd give his FA crop a C+, draft is an A-. Pulling down three starters and more potential role players is a very solid draft. That's enough for me to keep him for another season. No GM bats .1000. I'd personally like fresh blood from top to bottom on this team but the question was which would you rather keep, and I voted for Hurney for reasons stated.

Porle has been a flop

Searcy wasnt doing anything prior to being injured.  Only reason guy was getting any pt was because no one else was on the roster

Anderson never did anything and been cut by 2 other teams after us.

Smith was terrible on the field dropping everything and getting blanketed by avg CBs

 

Cockrell will give you that as he is a unknown due to injury

[Car123]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yet we won more games with those "JAGs."

It's almost as if the overall roster matters 

Who were the impact players on those teams? Yep, Hurney guys. You think we'd sniff the playoffs without Stewart, Cam, Olsen, Kuechly, CJ, Norman, Davis, Kalil? I do admit that DG's dumpster diving helped (a lot more than his draft picks).

[Mr. Scot]

I'd add that the notion of giving Hurney "one more year" ignores a couple of things.

One, next year is set up for a major retooling of the roster. Putting a guy you're giving "one more shot" to in charge of that is a recipe for disaster.

Two, remember that Hurney's first few seasons looked okay the last time too, but the more control of the roster he got, the more consistently we lost. This time, it only took one offseason to go in the tank. And we want to give him another year? Yikes!

I've seen how much damage Marty Hurney can do when given a chance. I don't need to see it again.

 

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Porle has been a flop

Searcy wasnt doing anything prior to being injured.  Only reason guy was getting any pt was because no one else was on the roster

Anderson never did anything and been cut by 2 other teams after us.

Smith was terrible on the field dropping everything and getting blanketed by avg CBs

 

Cockrell will give you that as he is a unknown due to injury

Searcy played in one game and that was our best defensive game. Not sure how you can say he wasn't doing anything.