If you can only fire one,who goes Hurney or Rivera?

[Car123]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So you're not playing? 

Let's say I accept your premise, that means that Marty had a whole 3 years of experience before being placed in charge of every single aspect of roster building.

In better organizations than Jerry Richardson's Panthers, most guys need more than that just to get a title like "National Scout", still more to get a post like Director of College Scouting, and success at both of those previous jobs to even be considered for a GM job.

Ah, but you know old Jerry...

This is essentially the equivalent of taking a guy who's been an office manager for three years and making him CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

No wonder he sucked at the job.

Here's to hoping tapper hires somebody with better qualifications than Michael Scott.

Did he transform a 1 win team into a super bowl contender? Wow, I guess if Hurney can do it every person on the huddle can be an NFL gm.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, panther4life said:

No Hurney and Rivera are not adjoined at the hip. You’re hatred for Hurney’s past does not allow you to be objective in that matter of realizing he held up his end of the bargain this offseason by giving Rivera a team with enough talent to make the playoffs. Rivera has failed on his end of the bargain.

Bottom line is I’m okay if we clean house and start fresh with both positions. I’m also okay with retaining Hurney and replacing Rivera. The one scenario I do not wish to see is Rivera coming back regardless of who the GM is.

 

9 minutes ago, panther4life said:

He has a history of doing such and lacks any ability to swallow his pride. He’s not dumb by any measure, however he does have an Ego that’s not outfitted for his brain. So in an attempt to seem like a more knowledgeable fan than everyone else, he plays dumb and tries to put a spin on others comments, to belittle them and in the process prop himself up. I’ve noticed this trend for far too long and for some reason today, I just had enough of it and am taking a stand against it. 

This is a forum filled with fans who have the same thing uniting us and we are all entititled to our opinions, but I don’t like his tactics of passively aggressively attacking others and pretending his opinion warrants more validation than that of the masses.

This is why you guys have no clue what you're talking about.

I don't hate Marty Hurney. I've never met him. He never did anything to me. From what I've heard, he's actually a nice guy, but I have no personal feelings about him whatsoever.

The reason I think he should be replaced is pretty simple. He sucks at his job. I don't care how nice he is. If he isn't good at his job, there's no reason he should keep it.

That's not personal. It's business.

It's also the flipside of your arguments.

You guys dislike Gettleman because he hurt your little feelings by cutting players that you liked.

Too bad. So sad. I don't give a sh-t.

Thomas Davis is one of the nicest people you could ever imagine, but he works in a business where once you get too old to perform, you get cut. That's reality in the NFL, and I'm okay with that.

That's football. Deal with it.

There's going to come a day when Cam Newton, Luke Kuechly, Christian McCaffrey and everybody else that I cheer for right now are gone. When that day comes, I won't whine about it, I won't get pissy at the GM that lets them go, and I won't hate the team owner. I'll keep watching the Panthers because they're my favorite team.

Maybe someday if you guys can learn to detach your emotions, you'll get better at this.

Till then...

[Jon Snow]

28 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Do you disagree that he has shown improvement this year? If so we will have to agree to disagree. I stand by my opinon that he has learned from past mistakes and so far his actions support that case in my opinion

I guess you weren't around through Hurney's first stent.  Everything he did was labeled "Hurneymagic"... Until he was asked one day why the team still sucked ass and how was he going to fix it.  He didn't have answer. 

He still doesn't.

You can't fix stupid.

 

 

[Car123]

12 minutes ago, panther4life said:

He has a history of doing such and lacks any ability to swallow his pride. He’s not dumb by any measure, however he does have an Ego that’s not outfitted for his brain. So in an attempt to seem like a more knowledgeable fan than everyone else, he plays dumb and tries to put a spin on others comments, to belittle them and in the process prop himself up. I’ve noticed this trend for far too long and for some reason today, I just had enough of it and am taking a stand against it. 

This is a forum filled with fans who have the same thing uniting us and we are all entititled to our opinions, but I don’t like his tactics of passively aggressively attacking others and pretending his opinion warrants more validation than that of the masses.

I was a huge dg fan until he ruined our window by trying to play alpha male. I would have tolerated it if he was able to draft like a competent GM.

[panther4life]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I guess you weren't around through Hurney's first stent.  Everything he did was labeled "Hurneymagic"... Until he was asked one day why the team still sucked ass and how was he going to fix it.  He didn't have answer. 

He still doesn't.

You can't fix stupid.

 

 

Yea I guess you could say that. Only been a fan since 95

[Pazhoosier89]

Why would anyone want Hurney picking the next coach? If only one can go Hurney should go first. I would prefer both gone though.

[Cpt slay a ho]

in what world would  a new owner look at the performance of hurney this year and rivera's of this year and determine hurney needs to go before rivera? Rivera by a landslide, If a viable replacement is available for hurney then do so, but don't want to end up in another dg situation ultimately. It can be argued rivera is the reason we don't have a Superbowl ring under DG and the team is inconsistent year in and out

[SmokinwithWilly]

I have to say Hurney because I don't want him choosing the replacement for RR. Hurney has never been able to build a long term success with this franchise. I want a guy with energy and vision for the new NFL to replace Hurney at GM because whoever that is will undoubtably replace antiquated RR at HC. 

It's that simple for me. 

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The roster that Hurney was left went 11-5. A year later, we're 6-7 and looking at 7-9 / 6-10.

How is that "doing well so far"?

I think people put too much in a year by year basis on the results for a GM. Overall, the GM has a big impact but not necessarily in a season by season basis. This offseason, I was not displeased by Hurney's moves. What upset you about what he did?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think people put too much in a year by year basis on the results for a GM. Overall, the GM has a big impact but not necessarily in a season by season basis. This offseason, I was not displeased by Hurney's moves. What upset you about what he did?

The results.

Those are the only things that matter.

What tonight convinced me of more than anything is that you can't just pick one.

It's time to clean house.

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

So basically, if Gettleman won, it was because of Hurney's players. But if Hurney loses, it's because of Gettleman's players.

 Or maybe it's Ron Rivera's fault. This despite the fact that Ron Rivera went to the playoffs four out of five seasons, had a winning record, a historic season and went to the Super Bowl with Gettleman, but immediately went back to losing after Hurney took over again.

 Essentially it's everybody's fault but Marty Hurney's.

 Sure, that makes sense 

Not sure if you can read, I guess.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The results.

Those are the only things that matter.

What tonight convinced me of more than anything is that you can't just pick one.

It's time to clean house.

Well, it seems like you have more of a personal bone to pick rather than objectively looking at anything involving facts. Good luck with that.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, it seems like you have more of a personal bone to pick rather than objectively looking at anything involving facts. Good luck with that.

Projection at it's best...

I genuinely like Ron Rivera. I think he's as nice a guy as we've ever had as a head coach. His family is great too (Mrs Riv is a hoot). I would absolutely love to see him succeed.

But I don't believe he's going to, and if you want to be smart about these decisions, you can't let emotion or sentiment factor in.

Said it before, and will say it again. I don't give a rat's ass if the GM, the head coach, the quarterback, the assistant college scouting director or anybody else is who I would have picked. If they help us win championships, I'm for them.

Marty Hurney does not help us win championships. Ron Rivera doesn't either.

It's time to start over.

[Krovvy]

So the Giants are doing pretty well though, right?