If you can only fire one,who goes Hurney or Rivera?

[Car123]

10 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Cam was setting recorda as a rookie as was Luke.  Both were dominant. 

Thats one of the dumbest comp outs ive heard from Hurney defenders

Im guessing it had nothing to do with guys like Ginn, Coleman (NFL int leader in 2015, Otah who was a probowl alternate, etc)

Rookie qb numbers aren't great. How many times do rookie qbs make the playoffs? Cam wasn't a top qb then. Kuechly was good in 2012, but not the dominant force like he was after. The 2013 preseason game vs the Ravens was his coming out party. 

I do give dg credit for sealing the cracks. 

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Don't give a flip about Gettleman, he's gone.

I do care about the future of the Panthers.

 

Marty's body of work as GM is mediocre at best (Hey, let's just ignore that previous decade of failure).

This off season will be one of the most critical times in the team's history. 

Hurney should not be allowed to oversee next year's draft or select our new head coach.   

Allowing someone like Marty, with a track record of mediocrity and failure, determine the Panther's future is utter madness.

It’s not ignoring his past. It’s hoping he learned and improved from it. So far it appears he has. Plenty of NFL people have failed in their first go round, (see Bellichick with the Browns). However sometimes people capitalize on their 2nd chances by becoming better by learning from mistakes, while retaining the things they did right.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, panther4life said:

So that’s a resounding yes from you. There you have it folks, if Hurneys teams would have been able to limp into the playoffs every time we won 7 games, Scot would turn in to a Hurney advocate. 

You're asking me a question about whether I'd be happy if the team consistently made the playoffs, and you're shocked I'd say yes to that? 

Jeez, dude. If we were making the playoffs regularly, I wouldn't give a flying sh-t if Jerry Jones or Hillary Clinton was our GM. That's what it's about.

Yeesh 

The problem isn't who's the GM. The problem us that the guy who's the GM is doing a lousy job.

[panther4life]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Completely reversed, actually.

Gettleman had a long range plan right from the start and talked about it plenty. He actually talked after the first season about being surprised because they won more games than he expected.

Hurney has actually been one to adjust in a year by year basis. Hence, why we we're constantly maxed against the cap.

Do you not find it a coincidence that Hurney the big spender sat on his hands during the uncapped year of 2010 and didn’t spend any money, but the very next year he came right back and signed players that JR mentioned as leaders in his interview to big buck deals??

JR was the man behind the curtain for a lot of that cap mismanagement. I don’t recall us really struggling for cap space before that time.

In a weird way, I think JR brought Hurney back to replace Gettleman, as a reward for being a good soldier in the past and falling on the sword and taking blame for many moves JR was the architect behind.

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, ncfan said:

This aint his first stint though

I really feel like many here jumped on the bandwagon after Cams rookie year.

His first stint was when he drove this organization into the ground and we were drafting #1

He got F I R E D, and didnt  even get a sniff of a phone call from any other team which says something.

His buddy brought him back when he fired Gettleman right before Training camp, which was chitty timing.  Then midway through that first season back, the Jerry mess arose.  He wasnt going to fire him in that mess, nor I think he was going to fire him at all. 

Tep wasnt going to come right in and clean house his first season.  So Hurney was safe then.  Now its seasons end.  This team still doesnt win under Hurneys regime, which isnt some coincident.  

I think you need to re read and pump the brakes on this people were only fans since the cam era, I just said tepper isn’t going to hold hurneys first stint against him, that means when he was hired til he was fired in 2012-2013. And like most on here who hear one good word of hurney and automatically change it to hurney vs dg, I could care less, dg was fired and rightfully so, hurney, regardless if he was called by other teams or not, has done a good job his second time around, but with both dg and hurney as gm the same key problems arised keeping us from back to back winning seasons, and that’s Rivera, so he goes first 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Don't give a flip about Gettleman, he's gone.

I do care about the future of the Panthers.

Marty's body of work as GM is mediocre at best (Hey, let's just ignore that previous decade of failure).

This off season will be one of the most critical times in the team's history. 

Hurney should not be allowed to oversee next year's draft or select our new head coach.   

Allowing someone like Marty, with a track record of mediocrity and failure, determine the Panther's future is utter madness.

Pretty much.

[panther4life]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You're asking me a question about whether I'd be happy if the team consistently made the playoffs, and you're shocked I'd say yes to that? 

Jee, dude. If we were making the playoffs regularly, I wouldn't give a flying sh-t if Jerry Jones or Hillary Clinton was our GM. That's what it's about.

Yeesh 

The problem isn't who's the GM. The problem us that the guy who's the GM is doing a lousy job.

I applaud your attempts at being a spin doctor, however I’m up for the challenge. 

This all goes back to me saying Gettleman does not deserve praise for going 7-8-1 because of a flukey situation that allowed us to win the division that year.  

I countered you with saying would you approve if Hurneys 7 win teams got us into the playoffs and here we sit lol. 

In reality we all know it’s not possible to make the playoffs consistently off 7 wins or possibly ever again. If that’s one of the arguments you have to use every time in defense or in applaud of Gettleman, that’s just a reminder to anyone with some sense that he wasn’t that good

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Do you not find it a coincidence that Hurney the big spender sat on his hands during the uncapped year of 2010 and didn’t spend any money, but the very next year he came right back and signed players that JR mentioned as leaders in his interview to big buck deals??

JR was the man behind the curtain for a lot of that cap mismanagement. I don’t recall us really struggling for cap space before that time.

In a weird way, I think JR brought Hurney back to replace Gettleman, as a reward for being a good soldier in the past and falling on the sword and taking blame for many moves JR was the architect behind.

I think there's a lot of truth to that. Virtually confirmed by the strong suspicion that Gettleman was ultimately fired by JR for refusing to sign aging players in TD and Olsen to big extensions. Hurney hung around for so long and was ultimatley brought back because he was willing to be a yes man. Gettleman was fired because he wasn't.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Do you not find it a coincidence that Hurney the big spender sat on his hands during the uncapped year of 2010 and didn’t spend any money, but the very next year he came right back and signed players that JR mentioned as leaders in his interview to big buck deals??

JR was the man behind the curtain for a lot of that cap mismanagement. I don’t recall us really struggling for cap space before that time.

In a weird way, I think JR brought Hurney back to replace Gettleman, as a reward for being a good soldier in the past and falling on the sword and taking blame for many moves JR was the architect behind.

Richardson dictated policy with Gettleman too. But in neither case did Richardson dictate every decision.

The notion that Jerry Richardson caused all of Hurney's failures is a convenient excuse, but not a valid one, except in one sense. Richardson gave Hurney a job he wasn't qualified for (no scouting background) but that was Jerry's MO.

It doesn't, however, mean that with Richardson gone, Hurney is suddenly more qualified.

[panther4life]

 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson dictated policy with Gettleman too. But in neither case did Richardson dictate every decision.

The notion that Jerry Richardson caused all of Hurney's failures is a convenient excuse, but not a valid one, except in one sense. Richardson gave Hurney a job he wasn't qualified for (no scouting background) but that was Jerry's MO.

It doesn't, however, mean that with Richardson gone, Hurney is suddenly more qualified.

I never said he caused all of Hurneys failures but merely pointed out the fallacy in blaming Hurney for the 2010 and 2011 disasters. You can conveniently ignore the facts to support your argument but I won’t

[NanuqoftheNorth]

17 minutes ago, panther4life said:

It’s not ignoring his past. It’s hoping he learned and improved from it. So far it appears he has. Plenty of NFL people have failed in their first go round, (see Bellichick with the Browns). However sometimes people capitalize on their 2nd chances by becoming better by learning from mistakes, while retaining the things they did right.

Marty is a middle aged man that had a decade in his prime years to figure out the GM gig and couldn't do it.

He was so bad at it, he became progressively worse (not better) as the years went by and was ultimately fired for it.

It would be foolish to entrust the future of the Panthers to such a person. 

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if not for a foolish octogenarian that was barred from the team headquarters and ultimately forced to sell the franchise thanks to his diminished capacity to make sound decisions.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I applaud your attempts at being a spin doctor, however I’m up for the challenge. 

This all goes back to me saying Gettleman does not deserve praise for going 7-8-1 because of a flukey situation that allowed us to win the division that year.  

I countered you with saying would you approve if Hurneys 7 win teams got us into the playoffs and here we sit lol. 

In reality we all know it’s not possible to make the playoffs consistently off 7 wins or possibly ever again. If that’s one of the arguments you have to use every time in defense or in applaud of Gettleman, that’s just a reminder to anyone with some sense that he wasn’t that good

Eeehhh, not really. What you've actually done is made a pretty ridiculous argument that I guess makes sense in your head, but not in the real world.

I don't give a rat's ass what our record is if we make the playoffs as long as we make the playoffs and are competitive in them.

I don't give a s--t whether the GM is the guy I wanted or not as long as he's successful.

Gettleman's was. Hurney isn't.

Gettleman's is gone. Hurney should be.

It's not that difficult.

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Richardson dictated policy with Gettleman too. But in neither case did Richardson dictate every decision.

The notion that Jerry Richardson caused all of Hurney's failures is a convenient excuse, but not a valid one, except in one sense. Richardson gave Hurney a job he wasn't qualified for (no scouting background) but that was Jerry's MO.

It doesn't, however, mean that with Richardson gone, Hurney is suddenly more qualified.

Stop with the fake news. Hurney was plenty qualified to become GM.

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[Randolph Panther]

I would bring in a new GM and keep Rivera for one more year.