89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Shoulder is an issue but he’s always had huge issue with footwork and reads. Some games, some seasons he’s on. Some he’s off.

I feel like he was definitely on in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Shoulder is an issue but he’s always had huge issue with footwork and reads. Some games, some seasons he’s on. Some he’s off.

Not like he has now.

[RumHam]

Two Words: Ken Wisenhunt. He can fix it. Seriously, Cam has had Chris Weinke, Ken Dorsey and now Scott Turner. Two of those are college qbs with lead feet that didn't do poo in the NFL and the other is a football nerd who's dad is a longtime coach. Again, this team needs proven personnel whether it be on or off the field to get these guys in the right direction. A veteran corner to train these guys, a developmental qb coach, someone on the DL to fuging step up and get them fired up. Too many holes.

[WarPanthers89]

5 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

who's your profile pic? ok

If _______ was so bad, wouldn't the coaches _______? Yeah, if they were worth a fug, yes.

So Cams footwork and mechanics weren’t off against the Browns? 

[coralreefer_1]

17 hours ago, Still Brooklyn said:

In my uninformed opinion, Cam won't change his footwork bc of how strong his upper body is and due to stubborness. Sort of like how Phillip Rivers kept his bizarre throwing motion. What they do works for them. Cam is finally elite in my eyes, but he's not perfect. He overthrows WRs. It is what it is.

Cam may be considered elite, and it might be considered because he plays QB...but anyone that says Cam is elite as a passer is insane. We all want to justify it by saying Cam scores points with his legs...and that the QB position is "evolving" to hybrid players like Cam that can pass at a decent level, and can run at a decent level also. 

 

but look around the league. Those types of QB are the very slim minority. People want to say the QB position is evolving, but no...it still relies on a player than can throw a ball to a player in a position to catch the ball.  Everyone wants to blame RR as a leader of the team. Yet the QB is supposed to be the leader of the team also, but so many refuse to blame him. Which is it? Leaders are, or are not to blame~~~

I know it hurts the ego of many to think that some weak QB like Brees, Mahomes, Rodgers, ...etc plays the position better than a chiseled model specimen of a man like Cam. Its like the 8 pack athlete losing the hot girl to the computer nerd that made lots of money with a start up in silicon valley. Skill trumps athleticism in every sport at some point. 

Cam likely wont change..and he should not be forced or pushed to do so. We as a sport franchise were all too happy to ride the thoroughbred that Cam was rather than develop him as a true pocket passer ( frankly I believe its time for this racism to stop that a black quarterback cannot or will not be coached to be a traditional and mental pocket passer)

[TheRed]

How can someone who has spent the last 8 years watching Cam Newton hurling his body up and down the field for countless first downs and leaping over endzones with reckless abandon honestly insinuate a laughably absurd notion such as "he doesn't care"?

That would be like saying Luke Kuechly doesn't care. But what kind of idiot would say something like that, right?

[Carl Spackler]

5 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

So Cams footwork and mechanics weren’t off against the Browns? 

And his shoulder had nothing to do with it?

[Peppers90 NC]

4 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

And his shoulder had nothing to do with it?

footwork affects throws, throws dont affect footwork

[Harbingers]

7 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I feel like he was definitely on in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017.

@Mr. Scot

He was on 11, off 12, on 13, off 14(until the end), on 15, off 16, off 17(halfway), off 18(way worse this year).

It’s not all shoulder, and it’s not all him, don’t forget his barely playing with his starting OL(a common fact almost every single person on this forum seems to overlook). Also we know Steve doesn’t like him so that plays into it. 

But he’s notoriously bad at staring down his WR’s and his footwork isn’t all there because of his size, his pocket closes a lot faster on him than other QB’s. My least favorite thing he does is his backside rollout, when he gets sacked he doesn’t go down. Anybody remember SB50?

He obviously has a shoulder issue, anything over 10-15 yards is completely inaccurate and dangerous. But he doesn’t deserve all the blame, especially due to injury. When he made the money shots in the past two games, the WR dropped the ball quite literally. A few times right into the opponents hands. 

Even though we are statistically a powerhouse offense this year. The finer points are just not there. It was obviously clear Funchess didn’t even have the same playbook. 

Smith isn’t wrong, but he isn’t 100% right and still holding a grudge obviously. 

[Lumps]

Footwork? Obviously ss known nothing about football or Cam, and clearly a racist

I'm assured by the huddle it's because his weapons suck, wright was open but not open enough, bad oline, a hurt shoulder and shitty coaching.

 

[Harbingers]

Also, Obviously he has a shoulder injury/weak shoulder. We and the other teams have known that for how long now? When you pull Cam for down the field throws. Ya.

[Peppers90 NC]

11 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Footwork? Obviously ss known nothing about football or Cam, and clearly a racist

I'm assured by the huddle it's because his weapons suck, wright was open but not open enough, bad oline, a hurt shoulder and shitty coaching.

 

hey man, stop making things up. sooooo many people are saying he doesnt care. go with that one now.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doesn't explain why he gets progressively worse as the game goes on.

Could be the more he gets hit in games, the more frazzled he gets, and the worse his footwork becomes as he feels defenders bearing down on him.

[Dunn]

I think touch on the ball is his biggest flaw, more so then footwork.  Think over the years of how many times he threw piss missiles at people and they bounced off or wasn't ready for it and caused either a INT or a incompletion.   Little softer touch on certain throws, could have made a world of difference in some games outcomes.