89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder

[top dawg]

37 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

It’s funny how with the same footwork he’s been completing those passes all season. He is clearly compensating, but hey let’s throw cam under the bus while we do everything in our power to absolve the moron head coach from blame.

Hard to win a football game (that you should win or should have won) when the QB is forcing the ball to a covered receiver, missing wide open ones, and throwing picks. 

I get that Rivera deserves a lot of the blame---in my mind, mostly due to in-game personnel decisions---but no coach in the league is going to win when the QB is throwing picks, missing reads and, indeed, missing wide open receivers.

[Carl Spackler]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I don't know if he's lost his confidence but it is crazy seeing people questioning his dedication to his craft now after years of tearing him down for daring to play the game with swagger and confidence. He's been dogged left and right for celebrating too much. Mom's sending in angry letters. Ridiculed over a towel. Don't do the first down point. Don't get so mad about losing. If he's finally lost his confidence then he's finally accepting losing the way this fanbase has wanted from the word go. The culture of accepting mediocrity that Jerry Richardson instilled and cultivated. It's what the fans deserve. They got what they wanted. Don't cry about it now.

Cam's enough of an individual that if that stuff was ever gonna affect him, it would've by 2012. I don't think that's the cause of losing confidence. He has minimal faith in his teammates, save for an IR'd tight end, a young RB, a couple WRs and Captain America.

Everyone else has either been beat over the head by Father Time, or they quit like a bunch of bitches (coaches included in this).

[WarPanthers89]

45 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Lol where was Steve smith when cam was playing the best football of his career earlier in the season. Steve smith is a joke. Still upset how things ended here. A shame he’s the face of this franchise. Give Julius, Cam, and Luke over him every day of the week.

It’s his job to give his opinions now and I believe it is correct. I started a thread asking if Cams shoulder injury was as bad as we thought because he has thrown over 40 times each of the last two games. If it was so bad wouldn’t the coaches go more run heavy? Pointing out bad machanics is not taking a shot at Cams character. Ron Rivera said the interception just sailed on Cam as well which means bad mechanics on his throw. This has been an issue throughout his career but for the record I still believe he is the franchise QB for the next 10 years and is the best we have ever had. Also I do not think Steve is wrong in his statement and is doing his job rather than bashing his former team. 

[tgrfan01]

54 minutes ago, leoslayer said:

I really wish the guy would work on it.

 

I just don't think he cares.

 

Of course everytime I point out that his feet and hips are wide open pointed left of the target I'm told I'm an idiot or racist. 

He needs to fix it this offseason.  

yeah the fan base is just so fickle..cant accept any criticism about average at best cam with out calling you racist.

[TheRed]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

Cam's enough of an individual that if that stuff was ever gonna affect him, it would've by 2012. I don't think that's the cause of losing confidence. He has minimal faith in his teammates, save for an IR'd tight end, a young RB, a couple WRs and Captain America.

Everyone else has either been beat over the head by Father Time, or they quit like a bunch of bitches (coaches included in this).

If you need an example of the mentality I am speaking on you need look no further than that preseason game where Corey Brown dropped like 30 passes and we still kept defiantly going at him. That's the same approach we've used with the OL. That's the same approach we've been using with Funchess. We keep trying to turn players into something they simply are not capable of being until it is far too late.

It is abundantly clear we desperately need a new coaching regime in here. After that we can assess where we are at with guys like Cam, but right now there is only one first step.

[Still Brooklyn]

In my uninformed opinion, Cam won't change his footwork bc of how strong his upper body is and due to stubborness. Sort of like how Phillip Rivers kept his bizarre throwing motion. What they do works for them. Cam is finally elite in my eyes, but he's not perfect. He overthrows WRs. It is what it is.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

If you need an example of the mentality I am speaking on you need look no further than that preseason game where Corey Brown dropped like 30 passes and we still kept defiantly going at him. That's the same approach we've used with the OL. That's the same approach we've been using with Funchess. We keep trying to turn players into something they simply are not capable of being until it is far too late.

It is abundantly clear we desperately need a new coaching regime in here. After that we can assess where we are at with guys like Cam, but right now there is only one first step.

I don't think we need to assess where we are with Cam, tbh. And I know you agree. He just needs some rest, he should be on IR, and he needs a new coach (and probably GM) to go with a new LT, LG, C and RT.

[Carl Spackler]

3 minutes ago, tgrfan01 said:

yeah the fan base is just so fickle..cant accept any criticism about average at best cam with out calling you racist.

what's your idea of average?

[raz]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

what's your idea of average?

i guess someone with a league mvp has gotta be 1 check box

[Carolina Cajun]

People keep talking about the shoulder, and it's not good, but it isnt affecting his accuracy...imo his knee is.  The knee he left the game for in Detroit with a dirty late hit.

[NJPanthers12]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Hard to win a football game (that you should win or should have won) when the QB is forcing the ball to a covered receiver, missing wide open ones, and throwing picks. 

I get that Rivera deserves a lot of the blame---in my mind, mostly due to in-game personnel decisions---but no coach in the league is going to win when the QB is throwing picks, missing reads and, indeed, missing wide open receivers.

He’s hurt. He was completing 70% if his passes prior to that. Let’s not pretend like he’s responsible for us not winning games. How about ron the defensive guru gets his defense to make a stop and not be the 2nd worst red zone defense in football.

[Carl Spackler]

8 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

It’s his job to give his opinions now and I believe it is correct. I started a thread asking if Cams shoulder injury was as bad as we thought because he has thrown over 40 times each of the last two games. If it was so bad wouldn’t the coaches go more run heavy? Pointing out bad machanics is not taking a shot at Cams character. Ron Rivera said the interception just sailed on Cam as well which means bad mechanics on his throw. This has been an issue throughout his career but for the record I still believe he is the franchise QB for the next 10 years and is the best we have ever had. Also I do not think Steve is wrong in his statement and is doing his job rather than bashing his former team. 

who's your profile pic? ok

If _______ was so bad, wouldn't the coaches _______? Yeah, if they were worth a fug, yes.

[Harbingers]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doesn't explain why he gets progressively worse as the game goes on.

Shoulder is an issue but he’s always had huge issue with footwork and reads. Some games, some seasons he’s on. Some he’s off.

[ChibCU]

8 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

He overthrows WRs.

He has made several underthrown passes this season. It doesn't even matter if Samuel burns his defender because he has to come back for the ball anyways.