89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder

[emhoward]

11 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

It’s funny how with the same footwork he’s been completing those passes all season. He is clearly compensating, but hey let’s throw cam under the bus while we do everything in our power to absolve the moron head coach from blame.

Very few if any are still resolving the coach, we know he should go... 

We're talking about what's going on with Cam. As in, when Rivera is gone next year, what Cam will we see? 

[Peppers90 NC]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doesn't explain why he gets progressively worse as the game goes on.

the more you use your upper body to create velocity, the more tired you get. couple that with back-to-back 40+ attempts, i think it explains it very well.

[Carl Spackler]

Steve Smith was a great player for us for a long time. That's about the only good thing that can be said about him

[Carl Spackler]

26 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Lol where was Steve smith when cam was playing the best football of his career earlier in the season. Steve smith is a joke. Still upset how things ended here. A shame he’s the face of this franchise. Give Julius, Cam, and Luke over him every day of the week.

Steve isn't the face of this franchise to anyone except himself, his jilted fanboys and the Saints fans who still have nightmares about him. 

Cam is the face of the franchise if you ask 99% of the public who follow football at all.

[TheRed]

Mention Cam's name in a negative context = profit 10 times out of 10 for these talking heads. It's been the same song and dance for nearly a decade. Very few of these guys mention it or compliment him when he's winning with his team.

Wasn't he in the MVP talks at one point in the season? Remember when he was 14 of 14 passing in a game? He can't be that wildly inconsistent. Absolutely he has things he needs to work on as a passer. But there are multiple mitigating circumstances that have led to this point.

We really need to finally build a capable OL. The likes of turnstiles like Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Mike Remmers, Matt Kalil, and others have been the theme throughout Newton's career.  You can remove Cam from the equation and replace him with any other QB, but the results aren't going to be any better when those are consistently the level of starters you are plugging in along your offensive line. Honestly you are likely to get your QB hurt, because IMO if that were any other QB the last 8 years the guy would be on IR more often than not.

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, TheRed said:

Mention Cam's name in a negative context = profit 10 times out of 10 for these talking heads. It's been the same song and dance for nearly a decade. Very few of these guys mention it or compliment him when he's winning with his team.

Wasn't he in the MVP talks at one point in the season? Remember when he was 14 of 14 passing in a game? He can't be that wildly inconsistent. Absolutely he has things he needs to work on as a passer. But there are multiple mitigating circumstances that have led to this point.

We really need to finally build a capable OL. The likes of turnstiles like Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Mike Remmers, Matt Kalil, and others have been the theme throughout Newton's career.  You can remove Cam from the equation and replace him with any other QB, but the results aren't going to be any better when those are consistently the level of starters you are plugging in along your offensive line. Honestly you are likely to get your QB hurt, because IMO if that were any other QB the last 8 years the guy would be on IR more often than not.

Cam is in a slump and he's lost his confidence because guys around him packed it in the first week of November. He's banged up, sure, but he needs some time off regardless. I think he'll be fine next year, but I don't look for his numbers or performance to deviate much in the next few weeks from the last few.

[KillerKat]

89 has always been cringey

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

the more you use your upper body to create velocity, the more tired you get. couple that with back-to-back 40+ attempts, i think it explains it very well.

The better explanation for me is that the more wear you put on an injury, the more problems it causes.

I'll grant that doing something the wrong way for a long time can cause unnecessary wear and tear on your body though.

 

[Carl Spackler]

2 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

89 has always been cringey

Cam could take a page from a slumping 89's book and brutally beat up practice squad QB Kyle Allen, I guess that was 89's way of justifying a rough patch

[raz]

lots of things in this discussion are true and not either/or's.

bad footwork

arm thrower

shoulder soreness and weakness

bad o'line forever, no room to step into throws

he's 6'5" tall and long.  he needs more room than many others to step into his throws in the first place.  sometimes i think that's why he became an arm thrower, or poor coaching early in life.

it's all in play and smitty is getting paid to talk crap because a lot of the rest of the nation eats it up.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Cam is in a slump and he's lost his confidence because guys around him packed it in the first week of November. He's banged up, sure, but he needs some time off regardless. I think he'll be fine next year, but I don't look for his numbers or performance to deviate much in the next few weeks from the last few.

I don't know if he's lost his confidence but it is crazy seeing people questioning his dedication to his craft now after years of tearing him down for daring to play the game with swagger and confidence. He's been dogged left and right for celebrating too much. Mom's sending in angry letters. Ridiculed over a towel. Don't do the first down point. Don't get so mad about losing. If he's finally lost his confidence then he's finally accepting losing the way this fanbase has wanted from the word go. The culture of accepting mediocrity that Jerry Richardson instilled and cultivated. It's what the fans deserve. They got what they wanted. Don't cry about it now.

[Still Brooklyn]

In for Smitty bashing by the homers!

[coralreefer_1]

Not really a justification given that Cam has been in the league...how many years? 

If anything he is digging on Cam, as if to say that after all these years, Cam either can't, or simple wont learn better footwork. 

[raz]

Just now, coralreefer_1 said:

Not really a justification given that Cam has been in the league...how many years? 

If anything he is digging on Cam, as if to say that after all these years, Cam either can't, or simple wont learn better footwork. 

i believe that too.  maybe for the first time he see's his mortality and will change.  but i tell myself that every year.  and i love cam.  i really wish he worked on his footwork more.  (like brees)