89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder

[ickmule]

On 12/12/2018 at 8:38 PM, TheRed said:

Ickmule is like a kid on Christmas morning when the Panthers and Cam Newton lose.

What a colossal dispshit.

@top dawg know the company you keep because these are your allies in this.

Pretty funny how you can call names and insult and don’t get banned yet when I do it I get banned.  Eat $hit asshole. 

[top dawg]

22 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Guess if Green Bay fans have turned on Rodgers, I shouldn't be surprised that this fanbase has turned on Cam either.

It's saddening no one knows football and cherry picks every little thing despite guys usually being consistently elite. It's whatever though.

You do realize that you are like the king of cherry picking (and I'm being totally serious)? Being critical should be apropos when a player is playing like gold or playing like sh¡t. Pointing out that someone is screwing up is not necessarily turning on them as much as it is desiring that they reach their potential or at least do better. 

You mention Rodgers, and the fact is is that it's fair to ask is he still the right man for the job considering his up and down play this season. I mean, most QBs reach that point of decline where owners, GMs, coaches, and fans alike ask whether it's time to call it a day and get someone else in the game who gives a team a better opportunity to succeed. That's just the nature of the game. Even for the great ones. 

Now for guys like Cam, who haven't been able to quite break into that upper echelon, there will be even more questions, especially if the negative things about his game---things that you'd have thought would have been minimalized if not outright fixed---have been on full display and arguably a determining factor of the five-game losing streak that the team is currently suffering. For people that want the team to succeed (and even Cam to succeed), they have a right to objectively ask if Cam has reached his ceiling, is damaged goods or whatever. Moreover, for the ones that never liked Cam in the first place, this is but fuel to the fire, but the fact is that they're going to take every opportunity to dump on him anyway. But I think there is a distinction between those that rightfully question and pure haters. It would be wise for you to realize this, and strive to be more analytical and democratic if you want to be taken as a serious analyzer.

Just my unsolicited $0.02.

 

[Puddinhead]

On 12/12/2018 at 11:39 AM, top dawg said:

So, either listen or hate, but Steve Smith is more right than wrong in my opinion when he analyzes football. 

 

"Everybody wants to say 'His shoulder's the reason why he overthrew a six-foot-five wide receiver'. No: His footwork was the reason he overthrew a six-foot-five wide receiver," said Smith. "His footwork was the reason that (he missed Jarius Wright, who was open in the endzone. Or the back-shoulder throw that he threw a million miles per hour to Curtis Samuel. Footwork."

There's more!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi99d_c5prfAhVGba0KHYIuATgQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2Fnfl%2Fcarolina-panthers%2FArticle%2FCam-Newton-footwork-struggles-Steve-Smith-126223778%2F&psig=AOvVaw1-GBIwIf-AawkLxuAEQxiz&ust=1544721653532245

As I've said recently, although I largely support Cam, and still want to see what he does with what I deem is great protection (at least on his blind side), I'm not going to be an apologist for sloppy footwork, missing reads, and especially bad decisions. 

 

Hell, his footwork is the reason for the shoulder problems in the first place.

[Puddinhead]

I mean, it's an outside opinion so take it for what it's worth, but we do play you guys twice a year, so we see him a lot...not to mention I always try to catch divisional rivals' games when they're on.

Newton's in his 8th season now, and from the outside it seems that he's never improved on his footwork or mechanics.  That's the kind of thing that a professional can improve just through work and repetition (repetition doing it the RIGHT way, of course) under guidance of just about any competent  quarterback coach, so if he hasn't done so by now you would almost have to suspect he's resistant to coaching or doesn't care enough to put in the work.  Not as uncommon as it seems it would be for guys who've always gotten by on natural talent.

[Puddinhead]

On 12/13/2018 at 10:19 PM, tiger7_88 said:

Brett Favre had SH!T for mechanics and he's in the damn HoF.  Dude would throw the damn ball from any angle and off any foot to try to make the damn play.

These "BUT MECHANICS!" assholes aren't really serious about mechanics though.  They have ulterior motives.  You know it... and I know it.

What motive would that be? (I think I know your answer...and have a retort, but I don't want to presume).

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, Puddinhead said:

What motive would that be? (I think I know your answer...and have a retort, but I don't want to presume).

With a user-name like Puddinhead, I've been proven right once again.

[Darvinsun]

Nobody knows why Cam has started missing players wide open. I suggest pain from the shoulder, and pressure or pressing bc he knows it' all on him but its different than ever before bc now for the 1st time he is truly experiencing unexpected pain from shoulder which he injured in the Steelers game and its changing his throws. Cam said it himself the soreness in his shoulder from the shoulder was unexpected. Thought he would return to his normal self, probably was experiencing the soreness the whole yr but intensified after the Steelers game and the increase in having to throw. Preseason they should have let Cam throw more to see how ut may affect him but majority of the time he just handed the ball to CMC. Thats my 3cents.

[Puddinhead]

I drop the "i" back in instead of using the original apostrophe because I'm lazy and it's easier to type this way, which probably throws a lot of people off...

...but at least familiarize yourself with Clemens' Pudd'nhead Wilson before making presumptions about the world view of someone who'd take the moniker as his screen name.  LOL

[Puddinhead]

The above is directed toward tiger7_88, in case it wasn't obvious.  I missed adding his quote.

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These "BUT MECHANICS!" assholes aren't really serious about mechanics though.  They have ulterior motives.  You know it... and I know it.

With a user-name like Puddinhead, I've been proven right once again.

 

[KillerKat]

Somebody should tweet him and say to stop blaming his leg for the reason why he didn't play in 2004.