89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

Not sure about the prayer book comment. Never said it was. What he is however, is very thorough and emotionless in his analogies. He calls it like he sees it. He said just today that Cam is in his 8th year and probably won't change his mechanics. Said also that Cam has never had very good mechanics. He ALSO said that having good mechanics is not necessarily a prerequisite. A player Cam be very good inspite of certain things. Nobody's perfect. He has historically been a Cam advocate just based on the film. Other analysts are good, some others not so much. The problem arises when people want to cherry pick and/or omit factors in an effort to support their narratives.

Well I've often said myself that with Cam you have to take the bad with the good because the good just outweighs the bad to such a degree that you just naturally feel compelled to overlook the bad no matter what.

This skid has caused the scale to go in the other direction a little bit. Tepper may not have that Cam wow-factor embedded in his brain like longtime Cam fans though, and this skid certainly isn't a good look for Cam. It's not. 

[Silent Majority]

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well I've often said myself that with Cam you have to take the bad with the good because the good just outweighs the bad to such a degree that you just naturally feel compelled to overlook the bad no matter what.

This skid has caused the scale to go in the other direction a little bit. Tepper may not have that Cam wow-factor embedded in his brain like longtime Cam fans though, and this skid certainly isn't a good look for Cam. It's not. 

Fair point. I wish we could field an O line that could pass protect well and for an entire season and have at least 1 legit WR, before we judge his ability to play QB as a whole. If he's accomplished what he has with shitty footwork, even shittier O lines and the carousel at WR, then honestly thats amazing.

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, Silent Majority said:

Fair point. I wish we could field an O line that could pass protect well and for an entire season and have at least 1 legit WR, before we judge his ability to play QB as a whole. If he's accomplished what he has with shitty footwork, even shittier O lines and the carousel at WR, then honestly thats amazing.

Also fair. LOL

I'm certain he has a legit receiver, but the O-line looks as illegitimate as always at the position of LT, and with the other Kalil retiring, I just don't know...

[tiger7_88]

11 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

half of that was probably on Ken Lucas

Damn that Ken Lucas for getting his nose and eye in the way of Saint Steve Smith Sr.'s fist.

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

Not sure about the prayer book comment. Never said it was. What he is however, is very thorough and emotionless in his analogies. He calls it like he sees it. He said just today that Cam is in his 8th year and probably won't change his mechanics. Said also that Cam has never had very good mechanics. He ALSO said that having good mechanics is not necessarily a prerequisite. A player Cam be very good inspite of certain things. Nobody's perfect. He has historically been a Cam advocate just based on the film. Other analysts are good, some others not so much. The problem arises when people want to cherry pick and/or omit factors in an effort to support their narratives.

Brett Favre had SH!T for mechanics and he's in the damn HoF.  Dude would throw the damn ball from any angle and off any foot to try to make the damn play.

These "BUT MECHANICS!" assholes aren't really serious about mechanics though.  They have ulterior motives.  You know it... and I know it.

[Silent Majority]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Brett Favre had SH!T for mechanics and he's in the damn HoF.  Dude would throw the damn ball from any angle and off any foot to try to make the damn play.

These "BUT MECHANICS!" assholes aren't really serious about mechanics though.  They have ulterior motives.  You know it... and I know it

QFT

[beastson]

1 hour ago, Billy_T said:

Quitting on the team isn't the solution.....what he needs to do is learn to adjust.

Akin to MLB pitchers who lose the ability to bring the heat every night as they age, but adjust by expanding their repertoire of pitches and using a different approach to get hitters out....

....a great athlete like Cam should have no problem making adjustments in the short term -- no excuses.

Learn to dink and dunk and run it a lot more too. Throwing into the end-zone from the 3 yard line isn't a tax on his shoulder.

#KeepPoundingCam  #NoExcuses

Right run Cam into the ground

You talking about short term lol

Short term? You think we making the playoffs even with a good Cam?

Some people don't know when to quit. If Cam wasn't playing in meaningless 2016 game against Chargers, this situation wouldn't exist

[Jangler]

22 hours ago, frash.exe said:

steve smith: i peed and shidded and farded and camed

huddle:

you forgot sneezed. Did you know your heart stops every time you sneeze?

Every time I get on a 10 sneeze roll, I think this is it! 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

On 12/12/2018 at 11:25 PM, top dawg said:

@Saca312, are you trying to suggest to me and everyone here that there aren't any gifs displaying Cam's poor decisions, bad footwork, and waiting late in the pocket (which is pretty normal) to make throws? Come on, man. If you're going to be an analyst, you have to be objective.

The problem with Cam has always been consistency. Just when you think that he's turned the corner, he has the WTF throws.

What Cam is missing from being elite are those fine details. Physically, he is above everyone else, sore shoulder not withstanding. Your point about waiting a split second late is dead on. The throw Rivers made last night on 4th down, he threw the ball before Benjamin made his last break on the post route and the ball was waiting for him and that created just enough space to make a catchable ball. Cam would wait a half second longer until the break was made which would give the defender time to react. For the J Wright throw, picking a spot for Cam to throw to and meet him would have netted a TD. "JW, I am gonna throw the ball to the back corner of the endzone, I dont care what you do to shake the defender but 5 seconds after the snap the ball will be there waiting you just meet it there." My opinion is he lacks anticipation which might also be a reason the ball can sometimes be behind the receiver rather than in front of him, which makes yac much harder to get, not to mention the catch as well.

[beastson]

7 hours ago, Billy_T said:

 

And some are losers, which the Panthers are.

Accept that and move on.

[Sgt Schultz]

11 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Brett Favre had SH!T for mechanics and he's in the damn HoF.  Dude would throw the damn ball from any angle and off any foot to try to make the damn play.

These "BUT MECHANICS!" assholes aren't really serious about mechanics though.  They have ulterior motives.  You know it... and I know it.

Favre's biggest downfall was not his mechanics, which were a mix of good and bad, but his head, which triggered his bad mechanics.  And that mentality lead to as many awful plays in big games vs. quality teams as good ones, perhaps more.  He may have single-handedly kept the Packers out of Super Bowls in 2004 (the 4th and 26 playoff game vs. the Eagles) and 2007 (Giants).  The 2004 pick in OT was perhaps the single dumbest decision I have seen in watching professional football for almost 50 years now.  Even dumber than the Seahawks playcall on 2nd and goal from the 1 with :25 left vs. the Patriots (although not by much).

So if you think my all comments about Cam's footwork are based on ulterior motives, well, in the words of my namesake, you know nothing.  Because the truth is, in a tight playoff game, I'd take Cam and his lousy footwork over Favre and his "throw it up and pray" or "I'll wedge it in there" mindset any day.

But then again, I have always thought Favre was over rated.  Great competitor and he made some great throws, problem was he tended to make great throws for the defense way too often when it counted.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

Just now, Sgt Schultz said:

Favre's biggest downfall was not his mechanics, which were a mix of good and bad, but his head, which triggered his bad mechanics.  And that mentality lead to as many awful plays in big games vs. quality teams as good ones, perhaps more.  He may have single-handedly kept the Packers out of Super Bowls in 2004 (the 4th and 26 playoff game vs. the Eagles) and 2007 (Giants).  The 2004 pick in OT was perhaps the single dumbest decision I have seen in watching professional football for almost 50 years now.  Even dumber than the Seahawks playcall on 2nd and goal from the 1 with :25 left vs. the Patriots (although not by much).

So if you think my all comments about Cam's footwork are based on ulterior motives, well, in the words of my namesake, you know nothing.  Because the truth is, in a tight playoff game, I'd take Cam and his lousy footwork over Favre and his "throw it up and pray" or "I'll wedge it in there" mindset any day.

But then again, I have always thought Favre was over rated.  Great competitor and he made some great throws, problem was he tended to make great throws for the defense way too often when it counted.

 

BTW, let's not forget his gift to the Saints in 2009, again, just when it counted the most.

[raleigh-panther]

Love Steve but he knows nothing of cam’s current medical conditions 

anyone who thinks the guy isn’t in pain and that that pain wouldn’t effect multiple things in his motion and game are out of their minds 

blame the coaches for playing him and the GM for not getting a decent backup

[Saca312]

Guess if Green Bay fans have turned on Rodgers, I shouldn't be surprised that this fanbase has turned on Cam either.

It's saddening no one knows football and cherry picks every little thing despite guys usually being consistently elite. It's whatever though.