Is Cams shoulder as bad as we thought?

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

So why are coaches throwing it so much more? I can’t believe we just went away from the run game if that’s the case. 

Because we have poo for brains as a head coach.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

No team is going to respect it until they think Cam can make those throws again...at best, that's next season.

If we're being honest, right now, why should they?

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we're being honest, right now, why should they?

that deep pass to samuel :(

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

that deep pass to samuel :(

I might fear that in the first half.

Once it gets to the third quarter, not so much.

Fourth quarter? I'm loading the box and pinning my ears back on the pass rush.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I might fear that in the first half.

Once it gets to the third quarter, not so much.

Fourth quarter? I'm pinning my ears back.

im just more talking about how much of a blimp it was

seeing baker's hose made me miss the old days

[MHS831]

31 minutes ago, joemac said:

Honestly 30-40 throws, once a week, shouldn’t have that much difference from beginning to end. He’s an NFL QB. His arm should be in peak strength. Pitchers throw 100 + times every 5 days and don’t lose velocity on their fast balls. Different sports yes, but both throwers.

And when their shoulders get sore, they sit.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

im just more talking about how much of a blimp it was

seeing baker's hose made me miss the old days

Understood.

[Billy Love]

cam's shoulder issue results in weakness/lack of endurance as the game progresses.

 

 

[aGDevil2k]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I said it elsewhere: you have to notice the cumulative effect.

People see him throwing bullets in the opening drive and think everything is fine, and at that time it probably is. But by the time you get to the third or fourth quarter, the wear and tear is taking its toll.

That's why you can see Newton firing on all cylinders to open the game and looking like he can't even complete a simple pass by game's end.

Bingo.  And when your shoulder gets really sore (2nd half) what happens? You get pain on the follow through.  When that happens, you tend to release a little early, because it just hurts.

An early release = high. 

[Carl Spackler]

I see three things at play here. The first, naturally, is that Cam’s shoulder/arm are not healthy enough to hold up over an entire game.

second, Cam is pissed off about that and trying too hard to compensate. He’s started to lose confidence for the first time in his career and you see it in his body language. He’s not himself. 

Third, Ron Rivera. Nuff said there. 

[Carl Spackler]

I shudder at the thought of the vitriol coming to Cam around 11pm next Monday when we’re losing 68-7.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, ericr0319 said:

i think it has more to do with the fact that he throws off his back foot. came has missed WR on deep balls and high over the middle since his Rookie year. nothing this year makes me look at Cam as any different. 

Interesting 

steve Smith sr said the same thing on fnz yesterday 

[Silent Majority]

12 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

teams aren't concerned about mccaffrey beating them and to this point they've been right. not because he isn't good btw. i get the sense that from a philosophical standpoint opposing teams are content to sit back and defend against the pass because:

1) they know they can score on our defense when necessary and

2) they know our offensive line is going to fug up multiple times

here's a stat for you: christian mccaffrey has amassed 100+ yards in 8 games this season. we are 2-6 in those games. and it's not really some weird anomaly that mccaffrey stays open on those dump offs. he's great with the ball in his hands and all but the reality is he has the lowest yards per catch on the team. this is something that the "take the layups" crowd has missed since cam first arrived. cam's elite downfield and teams know that. "take the layups" turns him into alex smith. opposing defenses would choose to face alex smith over cam newton 100 times out of 100. the "layups" dont scare you when you're the golden state warriors and when you're the carolina panthers you're basically facing the warriors every week.

cam's value is in his ability to read defense, his ability to throw the ball intermediate and deep, and his ability to run the ball. injuries and terrible offensive line play have severely limited his most valuable skills.

yes and as i've said there's been lots of falling backwards/getting hit/stepping to the side. the offensive line is fuging awful. you know it's bad when it looks this bad despite having a guy like cam newton in the pocket. he hides a lot with his pocket presence and ability to escape. he can't hide it all.

anyway here are some clips from sunday:

 

 

 

Thanks for this post! Still won't shut up the mouth breathers.

[rico6]

Always figured trying to devolve Cam into a Matt Ryan would reap terrible results.