Ron and Marty's calculus for IRing Cam Newton and saving their jobs

[PhillyB]

Premise 1: Marty Hurney has built a notable MO for the past decade or so of IRing players towards the end of failed seasons and then blaming the failures on injuries. It became a trope for mediocrity in Carolina during his reign as GM.

Premise 2: Ron Rivera is desperate for a winning season. He knows Tepper won't fire him if he makes the playoffs, especially if he coaches a skidding team back into a hot streak in a brutal division to take the wild card.

Conclusion: Cam Newton should be IRed. Everyone sees it. Every day that passes without undergoing that shoulder surgery jeopardizes his future (and next season) a little more. I expect our braintrust is keeping Cam around as long as there's some hope of stumbling ass backwards into a 9-7 playoff berth, but the very second that window vanishes Cam gets punted to injured reserve and the narrative becomes "well our quarterback was IRed at a critical moment in the season and it's hard to win with backups."

It's a tried-and-true tactic that leeches Jerry Richardson's festering stink of mediocrity and reminds us that his fingerprints are still all over this franchise, and I think David Tepper is smart enough to see it.

Anyway expect to see Cam and half the team IRed bright and early Tuesday morning after the Saints shove our entire stadium up our own ass

[DaveThePanther2008]

@PhillyB Spot on my only addition to this is Rivera is hoping Cam, as injured as he is, will somehow pull out his superman cape and win out.   Basically, jeopardizing Cam's career to save his ASS. 

You, me and the fly on the wall know we don't stand a snowballs chance in Hell in beating New Orleans twice or I should say once. 

I have been a Rivera supporter since he was hired but his lack of judgment this season has sunk this team and I am ready to move on.  

Give Heinicke a shot and shelve Cam... NOW!!!!

[therealmjl]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

Premise 1: Marty Hurney has built a notable MO for the past decade or so of IRing players towards the end of failed seasons and then blaming the failures on injuries. It became a trope for mediocrity in Carolina during his reign as GM.

Premise 2: Ron Rivera is desperate for a winning season. He knows Tepper won't fire him if he makes the playoffs, especially if he coaches a skidding team back into a hot streak in a brutal division to take the wild card.

Conclusion: Cam Newton should be IRed. Everyone sees it. Every day that passes without undergoing that shoulder surgery jeopardizes his future (and next season) a little more. I expect our braintrust is keeping Cam around as long as there's some hope of stumbling ass backwards into a 9-7 playoff berth, but the very second that window vanishes Cam gets punted to injured reserve and the narrative becomes "well our quarterback was IRed at a critical moment in the season and it's hard to win with backups."

It's a tried-and-true tactic that leeches Jerry Richardson's festering stink of mediocrity and reminds us that his fingerprints are still all over this franchise, and I think David Tepper is smart enough to see it.

Anyway expect to see Cam and half the team IRed bright and early Tuesday morning after the Saints shove our entire stadium up our own ass

ouch

[Jmac]

Of course he should be shut down. Obvious after three quarters of every game, his shoulder is done and is arm is basically limp. He is to proud and determined to take himself out and unfortunately, the powers that be will not pull the plug.

 

[Pimpdaddy]

Cam has taken a beatin over the last 8 years...running QBs are prone to injuries and shorter careers. We can't be surprised at this event with his shoulder. We don't know the extent of what is wrong with the shoulder tho. If we loose to the Stains Cam should be shut down and shoulder immediately evaluated for a realistic outcome.... what i don't want is for the dysfunction and mismanagement of this organization to treat him like Shanahan/RGIII situation. I mean he could be further damaging the shoulder by playing....this could be a very precarious situation down the road..

[RumHam]

#FireHurney

[Jon Snow]

Cam will play until the Panthers are eliminated from the playoffs.  Ron will see to that.

[Bronn]

Conclusion #2: After IRing Cam and several others (please let one be Captain Munnerlyn,) the Panthers somehow pull off upset wins against Atlanta and in New Orleans in the final two weeks. We finish 8-8, miss the playoffs, lose out on some draft positioning, and give the Cam haters more ammo as they rally around Taylor Heinicke as being "the future."

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

Cam has taken a beatin over the last 8 years...running QBs are prone to injuries and shorter careers. We can't be surprised at this event with his shoulder. We don't know the extent of what is wrong with the shoulder tho.

Injured shoulders need time to heal and they only get worse if not given that time--if you damage the shoulder to a level 5, for example, when you could have treated the shoulder as a level 3, it is much more serious and career threatening surgery.  I know this from personal experience and those of my college teammates.

[emhoward]

Wait are you guys saying that Cam's shoulder is sore and not 100 percent and as a result it gets more tired and weak toward the end of games, therefore it's best to put him on IR?

Or are you saying he has an injured shoulder and we're playing him anyway? If it's number two, it takes more than RR wanting to play him to save his job, it has to be an organizational decision, including the head trainer and in fact including Tepper. 

I was under the impression that it's sore and perhaps there's pain. No way Tepper would let RR put an injured Cam out there. There's a difference between hurting and injured. 

I'm all for IRing Cam though.

[JARROD]

Has Cam been put on IR?

if he really needs surgery and rehab then everyone in contact should be fired for not protecting him from himself,..

Personally the excuse for this season will be a young and new DC that took over too early, a depleted old and useless secondary which gives up chunk plays all day long, and an offense that’s just now finding an identity— a quarterback who hurt his throwing shoulder.

those are the narratives. 

Personally im still looking around to see what we would replace Rivera with?

john defillipo is not helping his case in Minni—-

Mike McCarthy is the best available retread.

Bruce Arians is the best but who knows if he’s being coy or real about the Browns only job.

really past that,... Josh McDaniels? He was horrible in Denver.

there’s not a Pete Carroll or Chip Kelly(yes I would take Chip in a heart beat with a GM that puts his foot down with personnel)

theres just not a guy like that available or a young innovative Sean McVay or a former QB like Pederson(and Phily sucks this year— how long before that Super Bowl wears off? Their fans are calling for him to be fired now too!

so who?

[Ivan The Awesome]

I'm afraid Rivera cares more about his career than Cam's. Cam needs to quit with the tough guy act. He needs to know when it's tome to fold em and come back stronger. 

 

The players probably don't want anyone else tho. They'll fight. Too little too late now. 

[JARROD]

Just now, Ivan The Awesome said:

I'm afraid Rivera cares more about his career than Cam's. Cam needs to quit with the tough guy act. He needs to know when it's tome to fold em and come back stronger. 

 

The players probably don't want anyone else tho. They'll fight. Too little too late now. 

I know right? Andrew Luck listened to the right ones and not the naysayers— he’s playing lights out now.

Cam needs to take a page from Andrew.

[TheRed]

Andrew Luck isn't a black NFL quarterback. Far more at stake for Cam Newton who has been vilified from day 1.

If he appears to give up on the season while supposedly still healthy enough to play, a number of Panthers fans, and even some in the media will immediately pounce. The fake smile/towel on the head narrative will begin again.