5-13 in the NFC South from 2016-18

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

  It’s perfectly fine to be upset. I can tell you I feel frustrated too.

No. 1-3 win teams are bad. Or a team missing a key figure like a QB. Even teams that most people would class as good lose to middling teams.

 Yes Tepper wants to win. And? You expect an owner to say he wants to lose? If he’s so intolerant of losing why is RR still in charge? Maybe DT understands that knee-jerk reactions are the response of those who aren’t in control of their own reactions.

Because midseason firings don't change anything.

Rivera has been here eight years.  It's not "knee jerk" to fire a guy who's been here that long.

[Eazy-E]

Maybe I am in the minority but besides the Steelers game all of our losses were close games. When a team consistently loses close games I put majority of the blame on the coaching. 

It is the coaches job to put the players in positions to succeed and if the out come is continuously the same, it is the coaches job to make the correct changes. I think all of us see the Fact that Ron refuses to make any changes. 

Our defense sucks and Ron was still trying to play clock killing offense and rely on a terrible defense to hold one score leads. Yeah it is the players fault that they can’t stop the offense but a competent coach should never put a lousy defense in that situation to begin with. Let alone doing it week after week like something is going to magically change.

I can’t even count the number of times Ron has run out the clock before half instead of trying to score points or stalling the offense and settling for a FG instead of going for 6 to kill some extra clock. 

Please just fire Ron already. I think we are all ready for change.

[Seoul_Panther]

Just now, thefuzz said:

That's the thing though.

How many 2 time coach of the year, 1 time NFL MVP, and 1 time DPOY led teams are losing to the Lions and Bucs?  Much less 5 mediocre teams in a row?

Well BB’s patriots for one. I’m not going to do it but I bet if you went through the current play off teams to find average or worse teams they lost to you would find a few results that would make you scratch your head.

I completely agree that 4 in a row to these teams is abysmal. I like many others probably identified this as the soft part of the schedule. It’s been a disaster. But those teams still aren’t terrible.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Seoul_Panther said:

Well BB’s patriots for one. I’m not going to do it but I bet if you went through the current play off teams to find average or worse teams they lost to you would find a few results that would make you scratch your head.

I completely agree that 4 in a row to these teams is abysmal. I like many others probably identified this as the soft part of the schedule. It’s been a disaster. But those teams still aren’t terrible.

BB has made a career of beating the teams he should beat, and rarely losing to the teams he should lose to.  That is not where Ron Rivera finds himself.

I wouldn't mind a couple head scratchers per year....if you average 11-12 wins per...but that ain't where we are either.

As to the "but those teams aren't terrible" comment...I agree, the NFL doesn't put out many "terrible" teams year in and year out...however, we sure are losing to a lot of the "not so good/below average teams"....of which we are one.

[Seoul_Panther]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because midseason firings don't change anything.

Rivera has been here eight years.  It's not "knee jerk" to fire a guy who's been here that long.

You’re not seeing the irony are you? You quote DT’s commitment to winning to establish equivalence to your view, but ignore the fact that he isn’t running round like a headless chicken like some in the huddle.

 I never said that it was knee jerk to fire Rivera so don’t put words in my mouth. I’m calling out hysterical overstatement as knee-jerk. Despite supporting RR I’m ready to see him replaced too.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

You’re not seeing the irony are you? You quote DT’s commitment to winning to establish equivalence to your view, but ignore the fact that he isn’t running round like a headless chicken like some in the huddle.

 I never said that it was knee jerk to fire Rivera so don’t put words in my mouth. I’m calling out hysterical overstatement as knee-jerk. Despite supporting RR I’m ready to see him replaced too.

Actually, according to reports, Tepper is pondering firing his head coach (probably his GM too).

So is he overreacting?

[Mr. Scot]

Related: Wanna hear something really depressing?

I ran the numbers comparing the years under Hurney / Rivera with the ones under Hurney / John Fox.

Rivera and Hurney have compiled a winning percentage of .422

Rivera and Fox were .513, and yes that includes the 2010 season.

Ouch

(Gettleman / Rivera was .621 if you're wondering)

[tgrfan01]

7 hours ago, RumHam said:

Payton has been to the playoffs 3 of last 6 years, same as us. He's overrated.

payton has a superbowl championship

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Related: Wanna hear something really depressing?

I ran the numbers comparing the years under Hurney / Rivera with the ones under Hurney / John Fox.

Rivera and Hurney have compiled a winning percentage of .422

Rivera and Fox were .513, and yes that includes the 2010 season.

Ouch

(Gettleman / Rivera was .621 if you're wondering)

Fox had Berlien (I think), Peete, DelHomme, and Clausen.  Rivera has had Cam the whole time.  Roles reversed, Rivera never lasts as long as Fox did.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Fox had Berlien (I think), Peete, DelHomme, and Clausen.  Rivera has had Cam the whole time.  Roles reversed, Rivera never lasts as long as Fox did.

Damn

[raleigh-panther]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our division rivals figured out how to beat Rivera's defenses years ago.

Yet Rivera doesn't change.

Bingo. Given the blueprint by Atlanta. Carried forward by Denver with a little extra by Pittsburgh with kill him that offense this year 

[raleigh-panther]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Damn

Siefert cut Steve Beurline for Jeff Lewis 

[Seoul_Panther]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, according to reports, Tepper is pondering firing his head coach (probably his GM too).

So is he overreacting?

No because he’s pondering. Any action that he takes and goodness I hope he does get rid of RR will be done carefully and deliberately in contrast to some of the huddles takes. That is my point.

[archer4364]

Really 1-5 this year? You people are such babies, we literally haven't even lost those games yet. I agree with your main point, but this part is ridiculous. Also we're still going to beat the Falcons.